Theo
07-14-2012

how much is 100def fool's Hands??? at now?

Port Official
08-17-2012

how often it fails when tempered? does it have to do anything with your rank?

Laurencio
08-17-2012

higher your rank = higher chance of success
also if you do oxford mission then there are skills that improve you chances of great success too

Lewis
08-17-2012

and it can only fail once, ingredients are lost.
it can fail on 1st improve or on 15th or any between or after

Nicola
08-17-2012

ingredients including the hand i am trying to temper? so i should start all over!? or just the celtic bracelet and the white ointment?

Erda
08-17-2012

oh are you talking about Nuadha's hands. ive never known this to fail.

because this is the fools hands page, and
tempering is what you do to improve something's strength
i thought your question was for strengthening fools hands
1 wao, 10 gold, 1 fools hands,

Steward
08-17-2012

i mean the forging fools hand (recipe at john dee) is supposed to make the defence go up (hence strengthen), it is written that if it fails, the equipment is lost, which means all including the hand of course (so i will have to go to venice to make a new one and back to london to strengthen it again)
the question here, how often strengthening it would fail?!

Io
08-17-2012

well in that case the recipe is:

1 white alch ointment
10 gold
1 fools hands
(zero Celtic bracelet which you mentioned , not me, which is why i was confused)

the recipe can fail at any time (losing all the ingredients),
im sorry i dont know the chances of failure per skill rank
because to get an accurate ref id need to do this recipe 1000x at the exact same rank every time, per rank- kinda impossible sorry...

Wen zhi
08-17-2012

people have said it takes weeks to get 100def pair,
ive never been brave enough to go above 50def personally
and get quite a few failure on way to that...

how about you be brave on my behalf , note down your failure + success and calculate the percentages then you post the failure rates being as this is important information for the likes of you.

personally im happy
being happy for success
being pissed for failure...

Meng Meng
08-17-2012

NC ship prices for a player made item. talk about price gouging and unfair prices

Cao Wei
08-17-2012

its funny it is always alchemists who complain about the rip off prices of shipbuilders when they far and away have the biggest rip off prices in the game

Miyo
08-17-2012

awww someone who wants to bitch at an alchemist about pricing
lol here we go
im sorry i will not be preached to about my pricing, my items are
NOT Essential to the game - you dont have to buy them. but they have rarity value because there is a fail rate and it does cost alot of cash to get 100def

(if a SB had a fail rate on shipbuilding, that equated to losing all the ingredients (ship parts), you wouldn't bitch about ship prices would you)

Meng Meng
08-17-2012

oh and did i mention WEEKS of production not 27min

Igor
08-17-2012

oh and all the feckin sailing i have to do

Io
08-17-2012

you see your not paying for success like you do with ships
in alchemy you pay for the for all the feckin failures because they cost me

Junchul
08-17-2012

this is a very aptly named item because thats what everyone is being played for (a fool) with the price alchemists are putting on this.
funny how your time and sailing is accounted and paid for but if somebody in another trade mentions it the whining begins full force
rip off artists, con men and chat warriors sums up the alchemists on here

Emma
08-17-2012

its funny 100 defense boots are every bit as prone to failure and just as painstaking to make yet fools hands are somehow 10-15 x more? lol ok buddy. straight up rip off prices

Maria
08-17-2012

and its not just alchemist allways bitching
everybody bitches about ship prices

it was just 1 alchemist questioning SB pricing because of time at sea/sailing
(which includes an afk pricing because you cant play the game)

well most ships can be built in minutes not weeks and
i cant buy my ingredients in bazaar in Seville
i have to sail round making the stuff
so your going to pay for it or not
allways your choice...

Cao Wei
08-17-2012

who use this is a fool

Maria
08-17-2012

what the hell is wrong with you people? Go outside and play or something. Dont' like the prices? don't buy 'em.

I cannot believe shipbuilders are actually bitching about alchemy pricing.
hell you don't even need 'em right? They sell for the prices they are set for because.. get this... somebody buys them! Amazing concept innit?

Etta
08-17-2012

exactly

don't like them don't buy them. there is a lot of hard work and time put into alchemy its not easy afk style play like shipbuilding

Wen zhi
08-17-2012

if it took a SB weeks to build a perfect ship
and if a SB had many fails along the way
(no ship to show for their efforts)
you can bet yer azz you would be paying higher than NC rates

Holfina
08-17-2012

please explain how this is worth 15 times what 100 def boots are? i would love to see that justification

Holfina
08-17-2012

people who use this -
well fools yes
and people who understand battle equations possibly?

Natascha
08-17-2012

that one is really easy to explain.

100 def boots are really easy to get materials for. time consuming? yes, but easy.

Go make red alchemy ointments, then go make gold, then go make the gloves, then go to where you have to go to strengthen them.

Material costs and driving all over the world.. oh and even GETTING the alchemy skill.. you do know that 100 def boots is handicraft and not alchemy yes? I'm thinking true shipbuilders aren't complaining here, it's the same people who complain about ship pricing that are bitching about pricing on these.

Lancelot
08-17-2012

ingredients for boots(oil leather) can be produced on your farm and accessed any EU Capital

to make each set of fools hands you need
10 red alch ointment (not from farm)
15 gold (not from farm)
iron gloves (not from item shop)
then
1 white alch ointment (not from farm)
10 gold (not from farm)
1 fools hands (not from item shop)

and because the base rank of alchemy is 14max = 2ranks lower than handicrafts base 16 max = our fail rate is greater.
and i cant collect white alchemy ointment for free like veg oil at a landing spot or buy it from a company shop
and i can only do this recipe in london
boots are easier because can be made anywhere

Maria
08-17-2012

oh and i never had to grind 30k adventure fame to get handicrafts either

Sophia
08-17-2012

but your in luck as there are probably hundreds more alchemists in the game than SB so more chance of finding one to bitch at about pricing

but to as i have been told by SB's and am currently doing,

'if you dont like my prices go grind Alchemy and Adventure and make your own 100def hands'
you will certainly learn how easy it is to lose money and wonder why the feck would i do this for anyone except myself...

Nina
08-17-2012

red alchemy ointment x10 =
100 red ore
30 mercury
10 seal of salamander (alexandria only)

seal of salamander x10 =
100 salt
120 saltpetre
20 seal of sorcery (alexandria only)

seal of sorcery x20 =
200 salt
160 mandrake
120 silver

so just to make 1 set of fools hands and nothing else you would need a ship with 870 hold
try and make it in bulk and suddenly you get an idea about sailing lots

Miyo
08-17-2012

you think alchemy is piss easy - go ahead n try it

Francine
08-17-2012

oh and ofcourse because the only non-NC ship i can buy that has an 870 hold is Manilla Galleon and you SB dont sell them cheap
I have to factor that cost in aswell =(

Shirin
08-17-2012

and 500k per day at sea and 2 weeks rl in london
thats how i justify 1b+ price tag same way a SB does

Sonia
08-17-2012

damn i forgot to factor in the BS cost of dealing with Pirates in the Caribean

Lisa
08-17-2012

ill never be a great SB at this rate...

Dongwoo
08-17-2012

about what is the base cost to craft 100def hands, just the cost of materials and no grief cost from pirats/storms ect

Beatrice
08-17-2012

its hard to tell costs cause the recipe to refine it increasing the defense use to fail a lot. meaning you have tostart the whole proccess from zero again when the recipe fail and the basic gloves are broken.

Miyo
08-24-2012

how often does it fail?! and if it fails u lose the hands themselves?

Sylvia
08-24-2012

88.8% success rate

Dongwoo
08-24-2012

88.8%
to make fools hands? or
to strengthen once? or
everytime you strengthen?

Chester
08-25-2012

good question

Francine
08-25-2012

lower rank means more fails also. you can break them pretty easily expecially trying to strengthen them, same for boots.

Meng Meng
08-25-2012

hmmm , in other recipes, does using high def fools hands, for example 50 def - would that amount of def transfer to say Nuadha's or Theseus' hands or even Gold feet during production or is it lost

Enver
08-25-2012

would be nice to have 100def, +1 sp, Theseus' hands...

ReaD
08-25-2012

it should be....but i'm not sure... X_x

Montador
08-25-2012

Extra defense from Gold Hands when made into other types of gloves is lost. How often have you heard of people selling 100 def Thesesus's Hands? ;)

Lancelot
08-26-2012

i once made a great success extra def for fools hand and they transferred to the gold hands (even tho had no great success on this one)
so i think it will work...

ReaD
08-26-2012

people are scared to take risk... or maybe they dont even dare to try it...

Petrucci
08-26-2012

i will do it this week and let u know guys!

Holfina
10-01-2012

how much for 50def hands?

Natascha
10-01-2012

50mil?

Holfina
10-01-2012

50m? i doubt you even have alchemy.

can alchemists answer the question please?

everybody else please hold your tongue until i get a quote thankyou

Erda
10-01-2012

I'm surprised you can find fools hands at the prices you do. They're a lot like grinding boots, except every step involved is very expensive, whereas with boots, every step is very cheap. Also you have to make the actual fool's hands in Venice, and the refining up in London, which is still a ways even for those with the fastest ships. 50m's quite reasonable for a 50 def pair in my mind.

I take that back, there's one step that's not expensive, making the iron gloves. Still more expensive and time consuming than buying some leather boots, and it's only a tiny part of the first step to make a high def pair of fool's hands, but I suppose it is easy in the grand scope of things.

Holfina
10-01-2012

its only 50m for 50 def really ?

i would have thought it was much more because the higher def ones are 100's of mil's

a friend got a pair a few months back 80+ def - were 600m and he said it was a bargain!!

Erda
10-01-2012

Oh, I could have sworn I saw someone selling a pair around 80 for 100m in Seville, and seeing that was enough to make me never want to bother to make these. If people pay that much it might be worth my time to make some, but I wasn't about to bust my boat making something that wouldn't get me that much

Lisa
10-01-2012

nivlac was selling pairs with 50 defense for 250m six or eight months ago, and he and his friends couldn't make enough to keep up with demand. I'd say they would be more like 300m-350m now for a 50 defense pair now.

Chester
10-02-2012

Actually he was selling them for 200m. (Should have bought a pair!)

nivlac
10-02-2012

hiya. glad to know im still famous. lol. if you still need a pair of gloves Magnum Opus, your friendly alchemist supplier is still around (crazy huh?) send me a pm, or write in the marketplace that you need one, and i'll see what i can do. i need to look around to see what the price is now. its been a while...a long while...

Holfina
10-02-2012

well i am an alchemist, i just wanted some idea of the of the prices so i can set mine, im usually cheaper than most i dont want to be overpricing the customers , but at the same time i dont want to be shooting myself in the foot...
oh dont you worry nivlac your still well known =) and remembered...

nivlac
10-02-2012

pm me. we'll talk :D

Silvermist
10-02-2012

I am gonna start making loads of these gloves, try and reach the 100 def mark. Something to try since alchemy now is maxed

Cao Wei
10-02-2012

better stock up my company's salt, mandrake, silver, saltpetre, red/white ore and spring water huh...

Holfina
10-02-2012

ty thats really kind of ya, im not online att but maybe tomorrow

Maria
12-28-2012

WTB a pair of 100 deff hands...Pm me.my ign is linbau

Carla
01-04-2013

61 def gloves for sale IGN Nub leave an offer

Hans
01-16-2013

Secret of how to make it easy:
1. make a bunch of seal of sorcery;
2. turn 3/4 of seal of sorcery into seal of undine;
3. turn 1/4 of seal of sorcery into seal of salamander;
(these are easy to make and you will end up with a lot of them)
3. now make white alchemy oinment and red alchemy oinment;
(also you will get a huge amount of these from the seals above)
4. make iron gloves into fool's hands;
5. start improving more gloves at the same time like 3 or 4;
6. keep improving the one with the least defense bonus until one of them fails;
7. it's very rare to have 2 fails in a row so you have a huge chance of success next so immediately after a fail improve the highest glove you have (still risk to lose it, but very small);
8. add another new gloves to the process to replace the ones you lost;
9. go to step 6 until you get as many gloves with defense 100 as you want.
This will require you to have alchemy 11+ and casting 11+ (so 5 levels above the recipe) in order to have MINIMUM fails.
Getting the materials is quite easy, you just need to be a very organized person (like making a sorted list of what to get from where) and have the right trade skills. If you find this hard you should just drop alchemy, will only take up a slot for you...
You also need to put all college skills that affects production success and have aide set on paymaster.
You will get around 2b per day.

Lancelot
01-16-2013

ahaha Hans talk is easy but you can't get that materials easily, you can't get 2B per day easily, you can't get 100 Def glove easily and overall describe about alchemy, it is not easy.

Hernan
01-16-2013

You've got some of the steps right Hans...preparing everything you need in bulk definitely makes life easier. But your #7 made me laugh. My experience, and knowledge of probability, would disagree with you.

Theo
01-16-2013

yeah I have had 2 fails in a row as well!

Chester
01-17-2013

wuuut got my first 100 def thx dude XD ruined one glove 80def tho

Cornelia
01-17-2013

lol #7 made my day :) Btw where's the "secret" ... #7 is the secret? :D Can i ask u -> if i flip a coin and i got tails next time i got bigger chance for head because last time it was tails? LOL ... YES, there are some things u can do to raise chances for success, but this is not it :)

Dongwoo
01-17-2013

Coin has 2 sides thats 50% chance... try with a dice if u can hit 6 two times in a row now. Does lightning strikes twice at same spot? Can u win lottery twice in a row? If chances to succeed is 80% so fail is 'rare' would u expect 'rare' to come out again and again?

@Hans: ur wasting ur time giving solutions to noobs, smart ppl know already these tricks while noobs will never learn

Cornelia
01-17-2013

I would not expect anything :) If chance for fail is 20%, it is 20% everytime - it does not matter if last pair failed/succeeded. I do use very similiar system as Hans suggested but it has nothing to do with bigger chance for success. It is just some sort of system to stay organized. Anyway, everyone has to try and see ... there are more important things like paymaster, oxford (not sure if oxford counts for alchemy [source japan wiki]), etc.

Shirin
02-17-2013

In my opinion the fools hands are worth way more than the boots because boot mats are readily available and the and the mats needed for the fools hands are not. Also there are several steps to making the mats. As far as comparing ship prices to alchemy prices.... you cant. Imagine you have MFCV you go to shipyard to improve, add your parts, wait for improvement to finish only to have it fail and ooooops it broke. No more MFCV you.

Naoyasu
02-17-2013

@hans, the ofx skills do not affect alchemy, it only works for production skill. Alchemy and linguistics are special production.

Enver
02-17-2013

according to japanese wiki, the oxford skills work for alchemy and linguistics as well, but advanced alchemy experiments are unconfirmed.

Claudia
02-17-2013

doesnt work, tested with and without the oxf skills, its the same thing. Same chance from wat i got

chriswebbs
03-12-2013

so whats the roundabout price on these now? 50 def/60def/ etc

Petrucci
04-06-2013

seen a 100def for 1.2B in seville, guess he was shouting for a couple of days then sold :S

Lewis
06-04-2013

how much for 50/60 def?

antihoney
06-04-2013

@lewis: my 55def sold for 150-250m, depend the buyer...

Lancelot
06-04-2013

50-60 def 200-250 mil
100 def 1.2-1.5 bil
I just wish people would buy at 70-80 def for decent price in between
LOL

Wen zhi
06-04-2013

100 deff ones are so rare, that the price is how much the seller wants for it. the price for it is nowhere near 1.2-1.5, i have seen offers of 2.5B for it and they dont have one yet

Laurencio
06-04-2013

ive seen Bunga_Desa LaughingCow + few others selling these at 1.5b i bought my pair 2 weeks ago from Bunga_Desa at 1.5b

Jean
06-04-2013

they both are retarded then. i sold 1 pair for 3.5B

Meng Meng
06-04-2013

jean maybe you could enter your ingame name so we know which non retard to avoid buying from or are you worried about ingame repercussions

and you only managed to sell 1 pair at 3.5b meaning there were no other retards buying that day ...

Claudia
06-04-2013

And, he's probably full of shit anyway. Everyone know covets these gloves knows that 1.5b is pretty standard. I don't begrudge the makers that, either. I know how many fails are involved in making them.

Ming Mei
06-04-2013

and they obviously aint that rare if ppl are adverstising to sell weekly

Holfina
06-04-2013

al 3 posts from above me are made from same idiot.jean sold for that much, whats ur problem?ill buy all day for 1.2-1.5 though i tried for 1 month or more to buy for 1.75B and i couldnt so i dont see how are they sold weekly for 1.5B

George
06-04-2013

my problem is the fact he referred to these fair traders as retards or is that ok by you holfina

Jean
06-05-2013

fair traders?they look like resellers to me(they tried to lower the price to 1.2-1.5).the price is 1.2-1.5 only when masters secrets are on TB. fkin idiot resellers/trolls/retards

Rashid
06-05-2013

^^^^ wtf how are they resellers and why oh why would a reseller try to lower the value of items they sell ???

Rashid
06-05-2013

omfg retard.....they have to BUY the item first so that they can sell it. they will buy some, then they will tell us the price is 5B, then they will try to sell. u should be very stupid, cause u dont need much brain to notice by yourselve what i wrote above

George
09-14-2013

100def at 1.85b

Lewis
09-14-2013

price is 750M-1B nowdays,MS are in TB

Maria
09-14-2013

no...just cause they are doesn't change the pricing and the pain it is to make them. you will never see someone willing to sell them at 750m...just sayin

Lewis
09-14-2013

price is 750M-1B nowdays,MS are in TB

Maria
09-14-2013

Max level alchemist...GL with that, i'd give you the finger and say have fun making them yourself...

Liza
09-14-2013

omfg maria and meng meng ur both idiots......for making 100 deff fools hands u only need r6 cast and r6 alchemy and some masters secret(the ones that guarantee great succes so u cant loose the hands) that are now in TB. so they arent the hardest thing to make in game now.idiots. l2p first and then post here, u suck to hard to post here

Xiao Wei
09-14-2013

l2p first really?

Sylvia
09-14-2013

And how many ducats or nc does it cost to buy masters secret you fucking idiot so if you factor in the cost of buying them would that raise or lower the price?

Br00nx
09-14-2013

Hello,
Let me introduce myself, Im Br00nx. IRL from balkans (if u dont know where that is, just look at Europes biggest shit hole). Ive found a wife in UWO, so that makes me r20 nolifer (be jealous everyone!!!), and yeah i like to chat with her, when watching porn. Sorry for those who ive have sunk, or talked bad bout, i live in my parents garage, so i have nothing better to do.
With love, Br00nx

Laurencio
09-14-2013

Wow... Liza above is a fucktard. That anyone would think spending hundreds of dollars on TB in order to get the non-tradeable master's secrets in enough quantity for this is laughable, at best. To think it would reduce the value of the gloves is, well, fucktarded.

Laurencio
09-14-2013

Liza is just reseller trying to lower the price.....

Io
09-14-2013

I forget the exact total number as i never cared when forgeing. However its like 3-5 defense points per improve. Say you start with a GS pair of fools after making them, lets assume baseline 20. It would take roughly 16x times to make 100d

The great success pappers you can use 3x per paper. So you would need 5 papers(also non tradeable). Thats five TB's MINIMUM. So thats $11.5 cash outside of game, if you hit a masters secert every single tb (doubtfuly as we know how the tb works)

16 white alchemy oint and 160 gold.
(160 salt160 white ore 16 undine seals+160 more salt 160 spring water(farm only) 32 seals of sorcery((320 more salt+256 mandrake mandrake+96 silver)


So if 1k nc= 80m 11.5 =920m + getting all the supplys/making the items..yah no worth way more then 1b..

Your wrong, you know why? Because fuck you ,,!,,

Sakura
09-14-2013

As I said, fucktarded.

Carla
09-14-2013

Fucking retarded reseller, 1bi wouldnt even pay for the time and the salt needed to make the ointments to make the gloves and refine it till 100 def.....good luck finding an idiot wanting to sell for that low, 1 bi wouldnt even pay for the gold bars needed to refine it, not even counting the time invested on the skills and completing the alchemy job chain

Igor
09-14-2013

Scumm Waring: be aware of Islam, Kantemir and Adelinka they stealing other ppl accounts and items!

Junchul
09-14-2013

^just spilled my coffee ...lmao

Lancelot
09-14-2013

Carla: Making fool hands isnt the only way to get a 100 DEF, some got it the easier way and actually tries to sell it for 1b and lower, i even got mine for free

Lancelot
09-14-2013

Carla: Making fool hands isnt the only way to get a 100 DEF, some got it the easier way and actually tries to sell it for 1b and lower, i even got mine for free

Natascha
09-14-2013

Lmao The Br00nx Complex falling in love with your own video game character that is hilarious!!

Xiao Wei
09-14-2013

Scumm Waring: be aware of Islam, Kantemir and Adelinka they stealing other ppl accounts and items!

Xiao Wei
09-14-2013

Scumm Waring: be aware of Islam, Kantemir and Adelinka they stealing other ppl accounts and items!

Xiao Wei
09-14-2013

Scumm Waring: be aware of Islam, Kantemir and Adelinka they stealing other ppl accounts and items!

Xiao Wei
09-14-2013

Scumm Waring: be aware of Islam, Kantemir and Adelinka they stealing other ppl accounts and items!

Steward
09-14-2013

what the holy balls is lancelot talking about?

Claudia
09-14-2013

easier way with alchemy? there is no easier way any way you do it it still takes a metric ton of ore salt and luck to make it i really dont get why people can pay unholy billions (15b-20b) for ships no problem but not 1.5-2b for an item that is so hard to make come on its not like you are going to let them break and have to buy another pair you can repair the crap out of them seriously people these days

Maria
09-14-2013

^ True
Ships shouldn't even cost more than 5b+ but NC ships had to appear.
If only they would make a non-nc ship server... then we'll see which players has the skills

Lewis
09-14-2013

how much ships costs is up on the buyer , the dungeoneers , they wants the ship , they pay , dont blame NM or NC ships just because u can't afford one

Erda
09-14-2013

Io thats the biggest shit i ever heard. ppl playing tb for ships. ms is kinda junk for em, and they use it at its best.its no way more than 1B now.stfu if u dont know

Naoyasu
09-14-2013

Claudia i think he means plunder, since the fool hand drops quite easily when it comes to spam pillage order....

Liza
09-14-2013

if you are max level alchemist, like me, and you know what you are doing, and you buy the mats from company shops,,,,then 1 bil is pretty much cost to make this now.
perhaps some prefer 10-20+ hours of collection to make for alot less cost, which is great, but i dont even make these to sell anymore at 2bil cause the time to make+sell is less then other ways to make money.
trash box items to give 100% succees sounds great, too bad i dint get any from my $20 monthly buy LOL

Jean
09-14-2013

noobs always try to buy ships cheaper , and yet they still cannot afford a MF lol

Shirin
09-14-2013

Liza if 1 bi is the cost and its that easy to make as you say then go ahead and make it and sell for that low.....as for myself i would only think about start selling it at 15-20 bi

Liza
09-15-2013

lol noobs know how to make money jean they prob make more than you so you go buy a ship at a high price & let us noobs shop for the best deals cause you'll be surprised at how low people we'll sell ships and items

Sonia
09-15-2013

yeah tbh fools hand are not a bussiness people are too dumb to pay what they are worth they will pay billions for a lucky drop from TB but not for hours of crafting this is ridiculous im only going to craft 1 100d pair for me maybe some for comp mates and thats all if you want to make money crafting just make leather boots way easier to make and a solid 100m each just have to get some veg oil and PO spam oslo for leather

Meng Meng
09-15-2013

oh really , NC ships shouldnt be more than 5b , u selling cheap ? sell me a MLA 5b please , i'll take 5 ty

Meng Meng
10-08-2013

я .Axmed. я хочу получить задания на Alchemy кто нибудь смоет помочь ?
I am. Ahmed. I want to get a job to Alchemy anyone else can help?

Hans
11-03-2013

WTS 71def fool's hand 700m only pm CarlosAlvaro

Korian
03-20-2014

80 Def Gloves 700m,,71 Def Gloves 600m,for sale,Pm in game

Xiaois
06-13-2016

In making these, the defence of the iron gloves is passed onto the fool's hand. The durability, however, does not.