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      No.20914

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      Troy
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      Marseille Adventurer's Guild
      자네, 일리아스에 대해 잘 알고 있지? 일리아스에는 많은 영웅이 등장하잖나. 이번에 트로이 전쟁이나 일리아스의 영웅에 관한 뭔가를 발견해 달라는 의뢰가 들어왔다네. 실패를 각오하고 하는 의뢰이니 느긋하게 해 주게. 우선 아테네의 학자와 상담해 보게.
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                          최소 모험 명성 : 12,477
                          추가 필요 스킬 : 터키어 1, 그리스어 1

                          /once/,/rare/



                          /age//age-B.C./)


                          /연속퀘스트/

                          모험 | 트로이전쟁의 이야기 (2 탐색 1, 보물 감정 1, 프랑스어 1) - 리스본, …
                          모험 | 트로이 (8 인식 8, 고고학 10, 종교학 4, 터키어 1*, 그리스어 1*) - 마르세이유
                          모험 | 트로이 왕가의 보물 (8 탐색 8, 고고학 10, 그리스어 1) - 아테네, …
                          /다음/
                          /next/


                          [퀘스트] 모험 | 미케네의 왕 (9 탐색 10, 고고학 12, 스페인어 1) - 세비야
                          [퀘스트] 모험 | 바람을 받는 동체상 (9 탐색 12, 미술 14, 그리스어 1) - 아테네
                          [퀘스트] 모험 | 황금이 가득한 전설의 도시 (7 인식 8, 고고학 10, 그리스어 1) - 세비야
                          [지도]고대 마을의 지도 (탐색 3, 고고학 3 - 히살리크 언덕) - 나폴리, ...
                          [지도]고대 제사장의 지도 (탐색 3, 종교학 3 - 히살리크 언덕) - 알렉산드리아, ...
                          [지도]고대의 보석세공의 지도 (탐색 3, 고고학 3, 자물쇠 따기 3 - 히살리크 언덕) - 나폴리, ...
                          [지도]선사시대 사적의 지도 (인식 9, 고고학 9 - 베이루트 북쪽) - 이스탄불, ...
                          /공략/
                          1. Athens , 서고 학자와 대화

                          2. Athens , 서고 종교학 장서 읽기 (그리스어 필요)

                          3. Athens , 서고 학자와 대화

                          4. Istanbul , 서고 학자와 대화

                          5. Istanbul , 고고학 장서 2번 열람 (터키어 필요)

                          6. Istanbul , 서고 학자와 대화

                          ----- 정보 입수 완료 -----

                          7. Turkey West Coast , 상륙지 동쪽의 \겹바위\를 통해 2차 필드로 진입

                          8. Hisarlik Hill , (필드 입구에서) 4시방향의 유적에서 관찰, 인식 Turkey West Coast Hisarlik Hill

                          1. 아테네, 서고 학자와 대화 - 실재했다고는 볼 수 없다

                          일리아스는 비장감이 느껴지는 훌륭한 서사시로군요. 고대 그리스를 연구하는 데에도 귀중한 자료임에 틀림 없습니다. 하지만 아킬레우스나 헥토르와 같은 영웅이 실제로 존재했다고는 보기 힘들지요. 저의 종교학 장서에서 뭔가 발견된다면 상담을 하기로 할까요.



                          2. 아테네, 서고 종교학 장서 읽기 - 트로이 전쟁의 영웅

                          트로이와 그리스 연합군과의 싸움에는 많은 영웅이 참가했다. 그리스는 미케네 왕 아가멤논이 총 대장으로, 아킬레우스, 오디세우스 등을 거느리고 있었다. 트로이의 총대장은, 왕자 헥토르였다. 원군으로는 아마조네스의 여왕과 이디오피아의 왕이 참전했다.



                          3. 아테네, 서고 학자와 대화 - 현실의 지리와의 일치

                          다시 들어보니 이상한 부분이 있군요. 그리스 신화는 실제 존재하는 지명이 사용되는 경우가 매우 많습니다. 미케네와 이디오피아 등이 등장하는데 트로이 만이 허구일까요? 이스탄불의 학자와 상담해 보는 것이 좋을 지도 모르겠습니다.



                          4. 이스탄불, 서고 학자와 대화 - 트로이에 해당하는 장소

                          트로이 말입니까. 일리아스나 오디세이아의 기술에 의하면, 지리적으로는 아나트리아 반도 연안이 해당되더군요. 현재 그런 지명은 남아있지 않지만, 아나트리아 반도는 광물 자원이 풍부한 땅. 큰 도시나 국가가 있었을 지도 모릅니다. 저의 장서를 몇권 조사해보세요.



                          5-1. 이스탄불, 고고학 장서 - 아나트리아 반도의 자원

                          아나트리아 반도는 히타이트가 번영했다는 점에서도 알 수 있듯이 광물 자원이 풍부하다. 자원을 가진 토지는 이권을 둘러싸고 분쟁의 씨앗이 되기 쉽다. 특히 광물 자원을 생산하는 토지는, 무기의 원료지가 되기 때문에 전쟁이 많은 시대에는 항쟁의 무대가 되기 쉽다.



                          5-2. 이스탄불, 고고학 장서 - 고대 그리스 이전의 세계

                          고대 그리스 이전의 모습은 자세히 알 수 없지만 추측할 수는 있다. 고대 그리스 자체가 도시 국가의 집합체였다는 점에서 원래 많은 나라가 난립하였고, 항쟁을 반복했다고 볼 수 있다. 항해 기술이 발달했기 때문에 상당히 넓은 범위가 분쟁의 장소가 되었을 것이다.



                          6. 이스탄불, 서고 학자와 대화 - 추측에 불과하지만

                          역시 분명한 기술은 없군요. 하지만 아나트리아 반도가 완벽하게 평화로웠다고는 생각하기 어렵겠지요. 아나트리아 반도 연안을 둘러보며 조사하면, 트로이의 흔적이 발견될 가능성은 있습니다. 만약 트로이의 도시 흔적을 찾을 수 있다면 그야말로 대발견이 될 것입니다.



                          결론 - 트로이는 실재했는가

                          트로이가 있었다면, 아테네의 동해안에 펼쳐지는 아나트리아 반도가 아닐까 싶다. 만약 도시의 흔적을 찾을 수 있다면 큰 발견이 될 것이다. 아나트리아 반도에서 상륙할 수 있는 장소를 찾아 안쪽으로 들어가 잘 찾아보자.

                          /획득/
                          /Discovery Exp/ 1,027, /Card Exp/ 513,
                          /Exp After report/ 210, /Fame/ 220
                          의뢰 알선서 8
                          Quest Mediation Permit 8



                            • Discovery
                            • Archaeological Area of Troy 4 ★★★★★★ (Historic site) Exp:1027 Fame:360
                              The remains of Troy, written about in Homer's Iliad. Also know as Ilium, it is said to have been sacked when the Greek army entered the city in a wooden horse.

                              Emma
                              12-07-2012
                              Does it require fame? and how much fame?

                              Lancelot
                              12-08-2012
                              between 1-300k

                              Angy
                              02-23-2013
                              35k fame
                              Fortza Steaua!

                              Jafar
                              06-21-2013
                              35k Adv fame or total ?

                              Whero
                              08-16-2013
                              REquires 9k fame according to GM_Anna, get 12k to be safe. (For whole quest line)

                              Whero
                              08-16-2013
                              Sorry correction, need 13k for this quest.

                              Igor
                              09-01-2013
                              I can't pull em with 90k fame....
                              I have finished 1st quest in chain but this...mrmrmr

                              Natascha
                              09-01-2013
                              Correction 90k adv fame

                              Rashid
                              09-02-2013
                              u missed something , this is a very simple quest i found when i was just new to adv world , got only 20k fame

                              Sylvia
                              09-02-2013
                              Define "can't pull", how many QMPs did you go through? What are your relevant skill ranks? Obviously fame isn't the issue.

                              Torrnado
                              09-12-2013
                              I have 68k adv fame recog r11, archeo r15, Theo r14
                              And burned 63 qmpss 4 sqmp's and still can't pull this quest...
                              I'm donet with 1st in this chain.

                              Laurencio
                              09-12-2013
                              it took me 100 qmps to find the quest

                              Mei Hua
                              09-12-2013
                              with 300k adv fame i do not need a single qmp

                              Mei Hua
                              12-19-2013
                              I've been all over Calicut and can't find Hisarlik Hill -

                              ReaD
                              12-19-2013
                              inland of Turkey West Coast

                              bububu
                              04-11-2015
                              U will need to know turkish once in Instanbul for reading the book, or buy from the interpreter "altaic languages" near the market in there.

                              Will_Adams
                              11-04-2016
                              Confirmed: 13230 Adventure fame, all quest requirements(r8 Recognition, r10 Archaeology, r4 Theology)met with + items and Oxford boosts, Turkish language spoken - quest pulled with 3 QMP's.

                              Scrimshaw
                              01-06-2017
                              For me it was a bit tough to pull the 1st time but nothing crazy. Trying to pull a 2nd time it wont show (so far anyway). Can anyone confirm if this is repeatable or not?

                              Will_Adams
                              01-06-2017
                              Not repeatable. Also, cannot be pulled if you are fleeted to someone that's done it.

                              Guilder
                              01-06-2017
                              As it is part of a quest chain, this quest cannot, to the best of my knowledge, be repeated after its completion... unless you lose the discovery card. As there is no ornament for Troy, the only other way to lose the card is through an official debate tournament (put it in your deck, and hope you lose), or, and this is the easier way, do a Treasure Hunt theme.

                              When Treasure Hunting, Discovery cards can be used when you are combining clues; when Troy's card appears, select it, and hope it's lost when successfully combining clue pieces. The higher the clue, IE, closer it is to Relic discovery, the more likely it is to consume the Discovery card from synthesis. Note that the pool of cards is randomly chosen and changes at various times (every hour on the hour, according to my testing), so don't expect it to happen right away. Every TH theme has different cards available at any given time, too, so if Troy isn't showing up for you while running Hidden Hero theme, switching to another theme could cause it to show up there. Not that this is exactly easy to do, of course... clues don't exactly grow on trees.

                              An anonymous player noted further: "Another way to loose the card is to present it to the city official in your colonial capital, or in Lima, in Ambon or in Ternate. But that is also iffy. You usually may get a limited selection of cards you may present, they change every day in a seemingly random way and there's no guarantee the one you want to get rid of will appear on the list soon, or ever. Loosing it through the treasure hunt clue combining process appears easier, at least the random list is longer and you don't need to travel in order to check :-)."

                              I went out of my way to lose the Troy card, as did some friends, and we've never regained it to be able to help others pull this quest when needed. Strangely, after losing the card, I could swear I've seen this quest pop up sometimes despite being fleeted with someone who's previously discovered it. Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly, though.

                              Scrimshaw
                              01-06-2017
                              Thanks guys for the quick replies. I was already off to the races before I actually got to read your responses but I will recount my experience since my last post...

                              My adventure toon Scrimshaw had already done this chain, acquired the Archaeologist job, and never lost any of the discovery cards. I was trying to use his skill ranks to repeat this chain for my battle toon EL_NINO who met no requirements beyond the 1st quest. Nino pulled the 1st quest fleeted with Scrimshaw who then accepted and both did quest.

                              Getting to "Troy" I tried pulling it with Scrimshaw as Nino had no requirement met. 30+ QMPs, some port hopping and doing other quests and no luck. Finally I broke down and used an SQMP with NINO and it showed up on the 1st try despite missing all reqs by a long shot. My 2 idiots were fleeted when this happened. Scrimshaw appointed Nino admiral and was able to also accept the quest for his 2nd time.

                              By "Treasure of the Kings of Troy" I was out of QMPs, so resorted to port hopping between Athens and Alexandria, as it can show up at either place. After over an hour of this with no luck I broke down and used another SQMP with El Nino and got it on the 1st try. Once again despite being way short on the skill requirements. And still fleeted with Scrimshaw who had done the whole chain before. Once Nino accepted he was made admiral again and Scrimshaw was able to accept it also. The dream team then proceeded to complete the quest.

                              Now since Scrimshaw was able to do the whole chain a 2nd time does that mean he would have been able to actually pull the quests himself a 2nd time given enough time, luck, and QMPs? Does using SQMPs bend the normal rules? I really don't know but I can confirm it is repeatable at least if someone else pulls it, and the person pulling it can be fleeted with someone who already did it at least if using SQMPs if that makes a difference. I will add that in the same situation recently with "Legend of the Labyrinthos" I was informed about having the ornament made to get rid of the discovery card, which I then did (after failing numerous times to pull the quest), and it popped after only 2 or 3 QMPs.

                              Sorry for the crazy long post but realizing how frustrating (and expensive) it can get sometimes trying to pull certain quests I thought this info may help.

                              Guilder
                              01-07-2017
                              Glad it worked out for you. I wish I knew if SQMPs broke the standard quest chain rule, or if the rule's even been relaxed in the case of some quests, but I'm afraid only the developers probably know that for sure.

                              As you've seen though, it is possible to repeat any quest in the game (assuming you've met pre-discovery/port permit requirements, if any exist), even quests that are part of a chain, as long as:

                              1. Someone else has pulled them, and is Admiral of your fleet
                              2. You have not just finished the quest

                              By #2, I mean if you just finished the "Treasures of the Kings of Troy" and reported it in Athens, then somebody in Athens (or anywhere else that quest spawns) tried to fleet with you as admiral and share the "Treasures of the Kings of Troy" quest with you, the game would not let you accept it until you reported another quest as complete.

                              Of course, if you'd reported first "Kings of Troy" and then a second quest complete immediately after it by using cultural contribution to run two quests at a time, you'd be set to do "Kings of Troy" again right away. It'd be the -other- quest you couldn't do again, until you reported something else in its place.

                              And no worries on the post. The DB is for sharing gameplay tips/insights, right? Cheers, and great online voyaging to you.

                              bakabaka
                              02-23-2022
                              So, i got this quest with my main and got the archeologist job.
                              Now, somehow, i lose this disco card, but can not pull the quest again...

                              i spent over 400x qmps in the "search by area" thing, but it just don't pop up.
                              I really dont have the Hisarlik Hill disco with any toon, but i can change to the job with my main.

                              Guilder
                              02-23-2022
                              One possible problem is that Marseille is a capital city. It has a lot of possible quests to generate and setting the regional search doesn't guarantee any fewer wrong quests will appear.

                              I believe this quest is also considered to be "rare", meaning its appearance is a low probability. As long as it was not the last quest you did on your main (you cannot run the same quest twice in a row), it should appear again eventually. Having the listed skill ranks (boost equipment is okay) may increase its likelihood of appearing.

                              Lastly, using a Letter of Appreciation from Seafarers item and selecting Job Endorsement can let you obtain the job card from a specific NPC without running the quest, if that is your goal. You can check job pages or cards to see if there's a list in that case.

                              Gudebuddha
                              02-23-2022
                              Have you checked that you have the "Iliad" Discovery from the quest before? Maybe you got the Archaeology job card from an NPC, the way Guilder said, and never did the questchain?

                              Otherwise doing other quests with the oxford skill Hide Completed Quests will raise the chance to get a rare quest in Marseille.

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