Enver
11-21-2012

Nice one

Jean
12-18-2012

Modified super frigate

Wen zhi
12-18-2012

This will be much better than MSF, and probably better than MIS as well.

Mei Hua
12-18-2012

MSF price will go down so much when this ship is available in TB

asdasdasd
12-18-2012

this is useless

Io
12-18-2012

Well, just wait until this comes out and look at yourself getting owned by this ship ^^

Port Official
12-18-2012

This is slighty better than msf, but its all about demand and supply. Still MSF has IG and welcome melee and we dont know about this? so i rather hand it to My aide instead of selling ;)

Port Official
12-18-2012

If this is a Modified Super Frigate as based from the stats when comparing looks almost alike as a Super Frigate, then it will also have IG and WM skills.

It already have the stats so I'm thinking this will be in TBOX soon. Cheers...

Nina
12-18-2012

custom special frigate

Lancelot
12-18-2012

Cristmas TB, to put under the tree

Sophia
01-24-2013

If the data is correct and it is only 8/8 well that extra few stats here and there won't suddenly make this ship OP which is gooooood NM has been releasing ships that make previous NC ships kinda uncompetitive like compare AFCV with MFCV it's just sad.

I doubt this would replace MIS as someone suggest since MIS's direct hit prevention is what makes it worth so much IMO.

Of course this might still worth a lot more given how the extra stats of D.Gaff are worth like a billion lol.

Miyo
01-24-2013

Well the 165 vs 142 cabins is what catches my attention the most! Slight sails bonus and 1 turn 1 wr 2 armor isn't that significant...

Miyo
01-24-2013

non nc ships still compete with the god ships, just because you may be newb at pvp and can not see this doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

CheungPoChoppy
01-30-2013

this thing is junk!!! FFCV mucccchhhh better!! MFCV is more comparable to this ship. Stop believing the hype, only 1.7b on Asian servers for a reason!! Admiral's ship, lol, good excuse!! WMB is wayyyy over rated also. Who cares if you cant be plundered. I plan on just flat out winning my battles with an FFCV, MFCV... DO NOT pay more than 6b for this ship 8/8 and thats only because inflation. Just buy MFCV, FFCV

Lena
01-30-2013

eh? this ship seems slighty better than MSF... that is one of the best battleships around. But, yes, is still a frigate so not comparable to MIS, AFCV, FFCV. Some people need to learn a little maritime to compare ships, or it seems that the overflood of OP NC ships make people dumb?

Port Official
01-30-2013

MSF = old Modified Special Frigate... this new one is MSF too, lol... wonder why the other is an "special" frigate and no just "custom super frigate" or similar....

CheungPoChoppy
01-30-2013

this thing is junk!!! FFCV mucccchhhh better!! MFCV is more comparable to this ship. Stop believing the hype, only 1.7b on Asian servers for a reason!! Admiral's ship, lol, good excuse!! WMB is wayyyy over rated also. Who cares if you cant be plundered. I plan on just flat out winning my battles with an FFCV, MFCV... DO NOT pay more than 6b for this ship 8/8 and thats only because inflation. Just buy MFCV, FFCV

Rashid
01-30-2013

wow somone is mad

Xiao Wei
01-30-2013

Understand why people compare MSF with AFCV/AV cause both have improve gunport but why compare with FFCV? Obviously different roles! FFCV is tank/semi-melee ship but MSF is cannon ship.

Claudia
01-30-2013

Its now in Tbox, bye bye Mod Special Frigate and hello Mod SUPER frigate!!! :)

Jean
01-30-2013

ok... people trying to use a "frigate" -mostly cannon- in a FCV role -tank/multirole-, is a JUNK MARITIMER

Lisa
01-30-2013

165 sailors will still be raped.

Enver
01-30-2013

I have an old-msf 8/8 with d.gaff and d.storm used trading this for ticket.

Hernan
01-30-2013

The turn and wave resist and armor and dura bonuses are still tolerable but the extra 23 sailors will make a difference between life and death not only does the extra sailors add to melee attack and defense but it's basically an extra round/opportunity to withdraw.

Buccanneer~Anne
01-30-2013

WTT Modified Special Frigate 8/8 for Modified Super Frigate ticket. Please PM me in Game: Buccanneer~Anne

Shirin
01-30-2013

Seriously? 8/8 can't even trade MIS and this ship arguably is better than MIS

Io
01-30-2013

There's a database error. It's 273 Horizontal.

DreadPirateWesley
01-30-2013

WTT this in ticket form for 2 x +1 SB books and 10 bill. PM me in-game

Igor
01-30-2013

Lewis, without money, there is no game. It's called "business"

Ming Mei
01-30-2013

It is more like 2 ships for 1 book, DreadPirateWesley

DreadPirateWesley
01-30-2013

@ Ming Mei... I'm just going off the info that was provided to me. Was told this goes for about 20b+ and the books are 2b+. So if thats correct then I feel Im actually offering a fair deal. If thats not true however I'm hoping someone will have the REAL costs :)

Sophia
01-31-2013

Better than MIS?

Laurencio
01-31-2013

both msf and mis is too overated in gama.look at its original stats °°

Hans
01-31-2013

They both hold a different role in battles- msf sniper role and mis tanker/admiral role.Both ships have welcome melee and the difference is imp gun and dhp.

Cornelia
01-31-2013

Obviously MIS cannot be compared to any other ship simply because there is no other with a similar role in the game right now...MIS is not a tanker as someone suggested above MIS is an ADMIRAL ship and has no competition so far...other then that this new Frigate is very welcome for sniper like players !

Dongwoo
01-31-2013

This is better than MIS!!! Higher turn speed stock, higher wave stock, higher durab stock, more men stock and even lower req to sail. Can have all the same skills, can go 8/8 as MIS.. This is unarguable, the numbers are there.. Only ingnorant MIS owners disagree.. LOL Sergent002 asking for 2 of these for his MIS... LOL Clown002

Sergent002
01-31-2013

hmm..MIS is better

Sergent002
01-31-2013

If you are a man show your charecter name xD

Cornelia
01-31-2013

How? cause you own one? Explain.......

Sergent002
01-31-2013

Direct hit prevention, 1335 dura...that is much better...only upside on new MSF u have is Improved gunport and more crew but with old one u still had Improved gunport,....

Hans
01-31-2013

Weak! just trying to save face I see.

Sonia
01-31-2013

With every new ship comes endless argument here... Can't think of any incentive besides sellers and buyers trying to screw each other over with overly high/low price...

Io
01-31-2013

^
QQ Time

Mei Hua
01-31-2013

It is better than the old MSF, but does it worth throwing away the old MSF and get this new one? I would say no...

At the end of the day, the ship is going to be used as sniper ship, and its +2 armor, +20ish crew does not matter at all!

This is like AFCV having IGP hidden skill, kinda meaningless.

Ming Mei
01-31-2013

For those who spend almost a bil to get that extra 2 turns from Dgaff then they might be willing to pay loads more for new MSF's extra edge. Otherwise, I agree with the above comment - the extra stats here and there is not that noticable and both new and old MSF performs its role as cannon ship almost equally well. If you compare a well mod old MSF with average mod new MSF you might even find the old one being superior.

Hernan
01-31-2013

UWODB FACTS:
1. If a new ship arrives, it will be the top ship in the game (Ex. super > special, AV > AFCV/MIs)
2. Players with the old ship will of course defend there old ship against the new ship
3. Buyers and Sellers started commenting and fighting on what should be the price
4. Comment section will be filled up with nonsense arguments and trash talking
5. Will wait for next Tbox or for those who can't afford it or can't get the items they want Trashbox.

In a few hours, someone will comment on this. Happy gaming. :)

Mei Hua
01-31-2013

I am commenting ... I do not own an old MSF and want to buy a 8/8, anyone selling it?

Sonia
01-31-2013

Who the f*** in its rightful mind would compare a cannon ship with an Admiral ship...next thing they will compare it with a trade ship...looool

Sonia
01-31-2013

Who the f*** in its rightful mind would compare a cannon ship with an Admiral ship...next thing they will compare it with a trade ship...looool

Emma
01-31-2013

I'm no maritimer so I'm selling this ship for 10b + SSB, pm me ingame zippotheclown

Dongwoo
01-31-2013

Sry iam abit of a n00b when it coms to pvp sea battling here whats diff on a "cannon ship" and a "Admiral ship"?

Hans
01-31-2013

Cannon ship is your daddy , and admiral ship is ypur mommy

Ming Mei
02-01-2013

a MSF is a boat you have to learn how to use. my name in game is cravens and you can see how i use the boat... its a cannon boat that can mele but you dont want to be locked into mele for to long anyway. your able to defend yourself in mele and your able to shoot pretty well. i have 100 armour on mine along with max dura so i can take a hit in shooting and defend myself in mele. its not a tank boat like AFCV and its not a sniper but it can be used either way once you learn how to use the boat.

Fanta
02-01-2013

HA HA~ HA HA~

Naoyasu
02-01-2013

every boat has its own attributes i get a lot of kills because i know how to use my ship and i dont die easily for the record lol

DreadPirateWesley
02-01-2013

WTT this in ticket form for +1 sb book and 10 bill. Msg me in-game :)

Hernan
02-01-2013

what gionet said is true, im not a perfect maritimer... yet but id would say no matter what ship u use, u will get sunk if you are careless, take example from hughes in afcv who got sunk by a vaiss in bc

Cornelia
02-02-2013

that wasnt the real gionet.

Igor
02-02-2013

and gionet sunk the real Fanta in mock 1v1 easily

Ming Mei
02-02-2013

At the esf that just passed?

No I did not get sunk by Fanta at all or big time. I got sunk By Dog from fantas fleet on the second crit in a row. Get your facts straight.

Maria
02-02-2013

Price check ticket?? MSuF>MIS??

GinDracon
02-02-2013

Offer Otto MNG + Spanish MAV + Otto CLR + Otto CV + Venetian MFCV all full improved for one in ticket,send mail for me

DreadPirateWesley
02-02-2013

@Liza/Sakura/Mei Hua..... FYI... If youre referring to me and Gio being the same person, youre sadly mistaken...or delusional and just a stirrer. If you're referring to the player named WESTLEY that may or may not be true. You're still just a stirrer ^^

Hans
02-02-2013

Offer 2b for the ticket.

Kicker
02-02-2013

how much less could you care?



I highly doubt dreadspiratewestly trader, and top maritimer gionet are the same fellow

Sylvia
02-03-2013

WTB 1 for 1.5b

Lena
02-03-2013

how much are these?

Hernan
02-03-2013

Between 1.5-2b

Xiao Wei
02-03-2013

lol you trolls, 2bil doesnt even get you mod special frigate, am inferior ship to this.

Sylvia
02-05-2013

Same as MIS. It all comes down to having great success on the mods to get the most of the +1 turn and wave it has over the MIS. Otherwise it the same ship. Even the old MSF can be better than this. It not like the nc vassieu family where mfcv ffcv and afcv all get 1 more mod than the lesser model. The people giving up MIS for this are sick. The market will comeback in a week once this frenzy is over just like the CV.

Natascha
02-05-2013

entertaining offers that start with +1sb book for one of these in ticket form

Guod
02-05-2013

oops putting a name with that... mod super frigate in ticket form... taking offers that include +1 sb book.... other items of interest include festive/improved large fu ship, refitted/festive big trade clipper, mod indiaman, expedition tea clipper, mod manila galleon, mod tarukaisen... can email in game

Lancelot
02-12-2013

I offer 6b

Fanta
02-12-2013

For that comment way high up there, i sunk him just by luck ( or i didnt sink him, someone else did ) Gionet is good i admit it :)

Fanta
02-12-2013

Stop impersonalting please

Jafar
02-19-2013

I have this ship. I named it NeverSelling2U

Rashid
03-04-2013

WTB this ship for free

Port Official
03-06-2013

Planning on buying a middle class NC maritime ship. Since FFCV, HFCV and MIs or AFCV are like high end ships and have insane prices to buy. Was wondering if anyone can give me a suggestion, like MSupF or MSpecF? how much are this ships nowadays. ty

Nicola
03-06-2013

Market price for MSF ticket is 6b and Fully Modded is 8b MAXXXX

Enver
03-06-2013

^ probably true for MSpecF, for MSupF it will be higher.

Nicola
03-07-2013

@Enver, correct, for MSupF the tickets should be around 15b plus.

Cornelia
03-07-2013

Looking at Ravager's ship, it is god mod, why PAC always god mod, they hiding something...

Jean
03-07-2013

Lol,

Its called knowing how to mod properly and not like an noob.

#1 r20 shipbuilder
#2 knowing how to adjust effective range accordingly and swap in/out propper parts
#3 Delphins also help.

Naoyasu
03-07-2013

In addition to the above comment, use 5 DStorm and 3 Dgaff for this and you can have +9 or more turns w/o using a single FS arnament parts plus your sails will be maxed and also your wave resistance. The rest will be for max dura and half the armour or maybe more depending on the success. Of course need to spend billions of ducats to do that as a Dgaff nowadays is arouind 900m each. :)

Sophia
03-07-2013

What will be the max dura for this if imp to +250 and paneled???

Emma
03-07-2013

1360 something

Hernan
03-07-2013

1335 hp

Carla
03-07-2013

5 Dgaff 3 Dstorm wt the hell and you pretend to know SB you can't even max sails...

It's not about swapping in/out ship parts, PAC's ships are often multi-GS and no fail... even on ships that are really hard to not fail more than a few times (like FIS final mods even R20 is not enough cause the req is like what R23 or something so it's shown as red and likely to fail).

Notice they use a whole heap of special shiphold rather than improve ropes with metal work combo!

Jafar
03-07-2013

He said 5Dstorm and 3Dgaff you moron, read correctly, if that is the case then you can max the sails with +9 turn and max wave w/o even using a single arnaments.

George
03-07-2013

also, u dont have to be a sb to know how to put FS parts. its already given here in this site.

Eshux
03-18-2013

WTT MNG 8/8 for Ticket MSuperFrigate PM Eshux

Liza
03-18-2013

MSupF ticket is like 18-20b usually.
MNG 8/8 is always 4b or so, except PAC members who use their "hidden" method to improve their ship and want to charge 8-9b.

Eshux
03-18-2013

Sorry mistake i wanted to say Modified Special frigate

Eshux
03-18-2013

Sorry mistake i wanted to say Modified Special frigate

Maria
03-19-2013

u all pussy

George
03-19-2013

PAC members hidden method is just lowering the ships effective range to minimum for maximizing the turning and increasing (supposedly) success in fs parts

Carla
03-20-2013

The method is on the UWO forums for that.

Sakura
03-20-2013

Go to forums, Bliz suggested alternating between +/- 20% (as long as it's within effective range, so with R19 it's +/- 19%), Fanta suggested the 1% method where you add 1% of total hold (crew + cannon + cargo) each improve, PAC apparently has a 3rd method they they are not revealing.

Naoyasu
03-20-2013

Well it's not an obligation for them to share you know. But then again, they are learning from what others share on this database and other forums/wiki so I totally get where you are coming from.

Ming Mei
03-20-2013

You know, I have like 10 methods to mod great ships, and I am not revealing them. You believe so? I don't even know why people get so obsessed with PAC these days.

Theo
03-20-2013

Because they used god cannons.
Because they seem to have a lot of ships improved way better than what other players have. Did you see the two FCV-types with +19 armour (max dura/sails and lots of turn/wave)? Did you see Ravenger's MSF that she's trying to sell for 25b? Did you see other ships they try to sell?

Francine
03-20-2013

Ya what started the posts about them being rich but have no skills? I recall reading that in the official forums not long ago.

Xiao Wei
03-20-2013

Don't worry the extra 2-3 armour means close to nothing in battle, basically when you get crit you take 2-3 less damage that ain't much. To make yourself feel better, think of it as PAC being afraid and having to rely on their superior ships because they have inferior skills. You don't see others keeping any secrets cause they are not scared of losing when on even ground.

fleshlight
04-04-2013

wtb send mesg

fleshlight
04-04-2013

wtb send mesg

Sylvia
04-04-2013

Ravager has MSuF:
+250 dura
+110/110 sails
+10 turn
+10 wave
+21 armour
How is it possible?

Chester
04-04-2013

Impossible to achieve those stats, what FS part can one possible use to get those? Way too many GS, cheat ship?

George
04-04-2013

It is -32 cargo used lots of Special Shiphold
Also it's Heavy Bombing + Welcome Melee Battle

Claudia
04-04-2013

Ravager has MSuF:
+250 dura
+110/110 sails
+10 turn
+10 wave
+21 armour
-32 cargo
How is it possible?

Wen zhi
04-04-2013

Ravager has MSuF:
+250 dura
+110/110 sails
+10 turn
+10 wave
+21 armour
-32 cargo
How is it possible?

Wen zhi
04-04-2013

Ravager has MSuF:
+250 dura
+110/110 sails
+10 turn
+10 wave
+21 armour
-32 cargo
How is it possible?

Li Yue
04-04-2013

Its very possible to have ship like ravager... PAC alwayyys has nice ships...

Nicola
04-04-2013

It's no secret that PAC is keeping secrets while leeching info from others, how cute.

Jazzmin
04-05-2013

I use the same method. And get my companies r20 shipbuilder to help.
And use the calculator. :p

Ravager
04-05-2013

wow lol this posts.... mmm all i got to say is that we use different combination of sb process that we have tested to get GS on mods, prolly everyone in pac does different things when it comes to sb but mostly its luck and knowing how to properly mod a ship, we dont use god parts, we just use the same parts as every other person does, i got like 8 GS on my ship and i CANT assure you that this happened because of the different sb process i followed but i can tell you one thing.... i have modded beastly MSF since i was in Pl or In SL with the SeaRuiner name so stop the crap... if PAC has good ships its because they have good ship modders..... there i solved the mystery....

Miyo
04-05-2013

@Ravager
8 GS is incredibly hard to achieve on any ship let alone a top ship like MSuF, mind sharing with us the method that you used? We know the +/- max within effective range method and we also know the +1% method, what is the one you use? Help the server grow please!

Battousai
04-05-2013

Ravager improves tons of ships. Most players improve only a couple in their gameplay life. He improves many.

Jean
04-05-2013

I remember fully improving 6xMFCV 3xMAV 2xCLR 1xRHG 2xMF 1xAFCV 1xMIS 1xCV 4xETC 2xMTC 1xCLC and there may be more I do not remember, tbh for half these ships I did not use any form of cargo shifting method but the other half I did, and not once have I seen 8 GS hell not even 6 GS max I've seen is 4GS.

From what I can tell shifting cargo reduces fail rate but I don't think it improves GS rate.

Maybe Ravager is just luckier than I am but maybe he has a more effective cargo shifting method, cause as he stated he has made lots of very successful mods.

If Ravager is willing to share I will be very grateful and I am sure the whole community will be too. This DB is here for us to share info is it not?

Jean
04-05-2013

Another observation is that PAC's great improves are usually about 4 GS on armour, well maybe it was GS on dura so they swapped an Improve Rope for Special Shiphold, I don't know.

Also PAC seems to use a lot of Special Shiphold as indicated by the -30 or more on cargo and the >120~130 sails meaning they didn't use as many metal works as some of us do.

Armie
04-05-2013

Special Shiphold (SSH) is one of the best FS parts that give the most improvement with the least penalty.

Comparing to the average outcome of 3 FS parts:

3x SSH = 60 dura + 3 armor - cargo

2x ImpRope + 1x Metal Work = 60 dura + 3 armor - sail

Make the choices yourself :)

Xiao Wei
04-05-2013

Armie what is the 3-3-3-2-2-1 or something like that, you guys spoke about it a few days ago here.

Hernan
04-05-2013

But I find ImpRope and MetalWork being more likely to GS maybe it's an illusion I don't know.

Natascha
04-05-2013

Well clearly PAC has no lack of GS from Special Shiphold

Ravager
04-05-2013

Most of the Gs come from dura either ssh or improved rope but this success turns into armor later on when u have all the dura maxed

Ravager
04-05-2013

GS is a matter of luck but my recomendations are to use a r20 Sb and to change the cargo each time----- and for battle ship dont add gunports unless its an fis since these turn into overall cargo making the ship acceleration slower--- learn how to choose ur parts wisely since u can fck up the sails if u use too many metal work---if u got a lot of sails at the end u can even go beyond penalty and reduce the cargo more---Btw i got no idea what 3-3-3-2-2-1 is you should ask the person that posted it---- im happy to help with what u guys need just leave a post here and ill try to answer it as well as the other memebers of pac ---just avoid atacking the company since its a community we share and care about and u will prolly get no answers

Ravager
04-05-2013

Also here goes a big tip: when u open a ship ticket dont go to colony immediately to get more improves since this will raise the required SB level of the ship making it harder to mod---- mod the ship lets say to 6/6 and then take it to colony, make it 7/7 then again to colony and make it 8/8--- the lower the sb requirement the more chances u have to get better improves--- cya hope it helped

Armie
04-05-2013

"Armie what is the 3-3-3-2-2-1 or something like that, you guys spoke about it a few days ago here."

This is the finesse grinding strategey, the number represents the how many techs of the same color you do before you hand it over to your fleet member.

E.g. Armie uses blue tech 3 times, then Lild uses blue tech 3 times, then Fanta does 3 times, Armie does twice, and so on, until everybody in fleet gets 13+ combo.

Chester
04-05-2013

if you are using imp rope and metal work instead of special ship hold you really need to rethink what you are doing. Use the calculator to mock up every build guys, it's right there and doesn't cost ssips. In almost every case you are better off using SSH. The only exception i can think of is a MNG or some other ship where you can so overmax sails that multiple uses of metal work won't cause you to have to use large masts to keep your sails maxed.

I do question the advice on not using gun ports. I do not believe using gun ports adds to actual hull size. I believe it is more a matter of modifying existing gun ports to handle multiple cannons. If someone can point to some kind of evidence that it does add to water resistance I'd love to see it.

Io
04-05-2013

Both Taiwan and Japanese wiki says total hold (which affects gap between acceleration boosts) is Crew+Cannon+Cargo so yes using gunports slows you down but that is ONLY IF YOU DO NOT REFIT it back down to 90 (assuming 5x16 + bow).

Taiwan forum actually suggest adding gunports as chance of fail is greater than chance of GS and gunports reduce chance of fail/GS through giving you a chance of having the fail/GS going to the gunport instead of dura or turn or whatever. So basically no gunport at early mods but use gunport at later mods.

Francine
04-05-2013

you can't rely on straight comparison of ship hold stats since using the same part twice is bad, metalwork + imp rope allows you to get good defensive boosts in an improve while sails aren't that important anyway, it's up to the sb if they want to risk getting 0 armor so that they can lower cargo

Ravager
04-05-2013

When you are modding and it gives u the option to change cargo check the number, that number is the sum of sailors+ cargo +cannon ports--- if you add cannons when you refit it those go into cargo making it bigger and slower--- cargo does affect the ship acceleration not the max speed---Try racing a btc with max cargo agains a min cargo ship--- the min cargo will start a lot faster than the btc but at the end the btc will go faster once it gets full speed---For battle you need the most acceleration u can get to move fast after you post for crits-------Also i tell you not to add guns cuz there is a chance that if u get a gs it will go on cannons and not on dura or armour

Ravager
04-05-2013

When you are modding and it gives u the option to change cargo check the number, that number is the sum of sailors+ cargo +cannon ports--- if you add cannons when you refit it those go into cargo making it bigger and slower--- cargo does affect the ship acceleration not the max speed---Try racing a btc with max cargo agains a min cargo ship--- the min cargo will start a lot faster than the btc but at the end the btc will go faster once it gets full speed---For battle you need the most acceleration u can get to move fast after you post for crits-------Also i tell you not to add guns cuz there is a chance that if u get a gs it will go on cannons and not on dura or armour

Hernan
04-05-2013

we're not talking about a refit, we're talking about FS building. I understand hull size is cannon ports plus cargo plus crew, but what i'm saying is you would need to look at say a 2/5 ship that has used gun ports and compare it to the same type of ship, 2/5 that has not used gun ports. If the hull size number is the same, (which i'm almost certain it will be) then the ships have identical hull sizes, one is just able to hold more cannons than the other.

Li Yue
04-05-2013

And where are we gtting this "two parts the same in one build is bad"? is this something you've tested yourself or is this just something you were told and are repeating. This is how Bigfoot got started. And Manbearpig.

Jafar
04-05-2013

I know you are talking about improving ship adjusting total hold but this is the thing, say FCV 100 base cannon used gunports +40 cannon end up with 140 cannon you can refit it down to 100 cannon and that 40 won't go to cargo will just disappear ie, total hold won't increase.

Holfina
04-05-2013

when you refit cannons down, that goes to cargo hold... total cargo (crew+guns+hold) is the stat that matters, in a lot of ships isnt needed to add gunports

Steward
04-05-2013

I can assure you it does not go to cargo, I tried it on many ships, initially tried on trade ships to add cargo (does not work) and then on battle ships like MAV/MFCV/FCFV all +gunport then refit to -gunport cargo do not go up.

Cargo only go up when you previously reduced cargo to add gunport, in those situation reducing gunport puts them back to cargo.

So in summary, if you don't add gunport you can potentially reduce cargo further, but if you are leaving cargo as it is and only fiddling with gunport then refit will ensure you do not have extra hold (ie not slowed down).

As stated gunport may not be necessary but it helps spread risk of fail from dura/turn/etc to fail on gunport instead. This has been tested on other servers and while not 100% confirmed it is recommended on their guides and forums.

George
04-05-2013

No risk
Potential reward
Why not :)

Meng Meng
04-05-2013

in trade ships dos not work because there are a minimun number of guns needed when reffited, if you add 40 guns to a clipper (BTC as example), the minimun guns will be 10+40... 50 guns... TOTAL cargo will be 50+33+924. In this frigate, minimun guns are 40, without ANY gunport, your cargo will be 40+110+600 -750 total cargo- (no total cargo change), if you add 40 gunports will be 80+110+600 -790 total cargo-
Adding gunports raises BOTH the minimun and max numbers of cannons in the ship, so esentially will raise the total hold.

Erda
04-06-2013

ok so explain why my FCFV +40 can be refitted down to 100 without adding even 1 cargo.

Ravager
04-06-2013

i dont know where u guys are getting this info but its wrong--- when u refit the guns lets say from 100 to 80 those 20 co into cargo just go to the refiter and try it before u give other wrong info---all the cargo is refited betwwen sailors-guns-cannon if u lower something then something else goes up u cant just disapear things trust me on this

Ravager
04-06-2013

That thing about adding gunports because it will help the mod not fail on dura and the rest is true but also if u get a GS it can go into guns---if u want a beastly ship with lots of gs then u dont risk using gun parts--- the only ships u add gunports to are ironside cuz they lack guns for min amount of cannons

Claudia
04-06-2013

shut up your filipinos

Port Official
04-06-2013

@ li yue yes it is bad to use same part try it out, i used two traverse ropes on 3 improves before the npc item was available and only got 6 wav, that's a lot of fails to be a coincidence

Holfina
04-06-2013

okay, no, listen.

When you do a FS build, you add the parts, then it goes to another screen that lets you change HULL size. That number is the combination of cargo, cannons, and crew. there's minimum, maximum, and minimum effective and maximum effective.

Look closely at those numbers, If FS parts that add cannons, cargo, or crew really added or subtracted from HULL size, that number would change.

I do not believe it does. A ship that has had no FS parts that affect those three (I believe) will have the same hull numbers as a ship that has had FS parts added to it that affect those three.

Now the Great success possibly going to cannons instead of something more usefull is a more valid argument, but i would counter that a great fail could be mitigated by this as well.

Hernan
04-06-2013

And I have tried out using duplicate body parts on the same build and I do not recall ever having a fail. Now, as a precaution I will spread parts out to try to avoid using 2 of the same parts, but i have not seen any definitive evidence that using 2 identical body parts increases fail chances.

Lame
04-06-2013

I have done 3x improved rope mods back to back without getting an fail. Your failure rate also depends on your boat as well, the higher level SB required increases the chance of fail

Lancelot
04-06-2013

PINOY DOTO BEST DOTO!

Ming Mei
04-08-2013

Guys, although MSuF has 23 more crew than MSpF it also has a higher minimum crew requirement, so that only translates to 13 more sacrificable crew.
MSuF need 141 minimum so can lose 24 sailors
MSpF need 131 minimum so can lose 11 sailors

Lena
04-09-2013

i thought it was funny reading a post in here about PAC not using god cannon but every morning ravager sits in Seville shouting for cannon tools 30mil so... you might want to rething that PAC doesn't use god cannons or inform ravager of it

Liza
04-09-2013

Lol,

One person's actions do not yield the result of an whole company. You are ignorant for thinking that what ravager does means the reset of his company will do the same. I personally never have owned god guns, made them with esf/nc tickets, and the ones ive plundered go right to the SY npc.

Lena
04-09-2013

i thought it was funny reading a post in here about PAC not using god cannon but every morning ravager sits in Seville shouting for cannon tools 30mil so... you might want to rething that PAC doesn't use god cannons or inform ravager of it

Ravager
04-09-2013

ohhh i have no problem telling you that i own god guns cuz i always buy tools but the thing is i never use em unless i find some1 using them against me---that is the only reason i have them---any maritmer that has fought me knows i use carros and i dont hit extreme numbers i hit the normal amount that my rank 20 skills let me---if u ever fight me you will find out that i dont need god guns to beat anyone cuz with my maxed skills is enough---Good day sir if u have any doubts let me know and ill be glad to fight you and show you

Lena
04-09-2013

i thought it was funny reading a post in here about PAC not using god cannon but every morning ravager sits in Seville shouting for cannon tools 30mil so... you might want to rething that PAC doesn't use god cannons or inform ravager of it

Lena
04-09-2013

i thought it was funny reading a post in here about PAC not using god cannon but every morning ravager sits in Seville shouting for cannon tools 30mil so... you might want to rething that PAC doesn't use god cannons or inform ravager of it

Maria
04-09-2013

price check please?

Li Yue
04-09-2013

ticket = 10bil

but hey never selling mine

fleshlight
04-11-2013

Looking to buy one pm me

Hotshot
04-11-2013

I got ticket, 22b ok?

Sophia
04-11-2013

fleshlight, what did you sell to be able to afford this?

fleshlight
04-11-2013

Hot shot i could not find you in game can you send me a mail or let me know when you would like to meet up.

fleshlight
04-11-2013

sophia i have sold d gaf sales. fis,mf,flc. just some stuff in game

Nicola
04-11-2013

Just curious, how much did you sell FIS and FLC?
And unless you are desperate or too-rich-don't-care otherwise don't buy MSF ticket for 22b I have never heard of such a high price...

Lewis
04-11-2013

I saw you in game fleshlight, you are level 20ish for adv/trd/mrt
How much did you spend to win all those top ships and sails?
There's rumors about new players winning a lot than us old players from TB want to add your experience to the "stats"

George
04-11-2013

MSF isn't that great, dura too low, welcome melee battle skill not reliable.

Claudia
04-11-2013

MSF is great if you use its fortes... but 22B!!!! thats nonsense

Io
04-11-2013

What the hell is wrong with NM. Just purchase gpoints and when i try to convert (gp exchange) nothing happens, my gpoints gone and no NC converted???

Liza
04-12-2013

Can I trade my FIs for this ship?

Laurencio
04-12-2013

Of course you can cause FIS worth a ton more but first you got to find someone who wants to trade or just be patient and wait till MSupF floods the market again when it's in TB.

Ravager
04-17-2013

WTB This Ship pm me ingame---Also WTB FIS

George
04-17-2013

#YOLO

Jean
04-18-2013

Price check for ticket 1/5

George
04-18-2013

I think you got confused with Mod Special Frigate which is about 6b or less for ticket/fresh.

For Mod Super Frigate it's worth more. Someone traded FIS ticket for an MSuF last week.

So how much is it worth in ducats? I don't know... Some day you see FIS tickets for 22b and on other days you see them for 15-16b tops, last week someone tried to sell FIS ticket for 13b, market fluctuating so much recently it's hard to say how much FIS worth and so for MSuF which is rarer it's even harder to gauge how much they usually go for.

Xiao Wei
04-23-2013

I put 2 D storm and 2 D gaff with Imporve gun port, Welcome melee, and Bullet proof armoring.
I have 20 turning, 20 wave resistance, 50 armor without plates, and 1255 dura at only
6/8 and will have max dura and sails. I know how to mod the best. You don't need stupid secrets to get great mods

Io
04-23-2013

well first off you responded on the wrong page, second off you're in a 8/8 boat, if you don't end up with max dura and sails you are a fail builder. The question you answered was on the SF page, where you only have 5 improvements to try to get the job done in. So any "secrets" to give you more of a chance for a great success or at least less of a chance for a fail are a bit more critical on a build like that.

Kenny42000
04-23-2013

WTB this ship 5b pm me

Maria
04-26-2013

he knows he is in a 8/8 boat lol

Lena
04-26-2013

no one will sell 5b...5b barely covers the parts added in one

Naoyasu
04-26-2013

Seeing a lot of these for sale lately.. and the improvements are... um. crap. play around with the calculator and see what works best instead of just throwing any random part on it.. Out of all of them that i saw, only one looked like the person knew what they were doing.

Lisa
05-14-2013

Price check 8/8 well modded w/ dsails??

Io
05-14-2013

This ship is only 10-15b.

Igor
05-14-2013

10-15b??? 15-20b is more like it. 165 sailor with effective WMB is a great admiral ship.

Port Official
05-14-2013

This isnt an admiral ship, MIS, FIS for that if you plan to use "fast" admiral ship with WMB... SF is 15B max

Port Official
05-17-2013

Isnt an admiral ship but MIS is?? Hmm interesting since MSUF has better stats in every aspect than MIS including sailors. The Only thing downfall compared to FIS is the lesser dura, but with 12 more sailors you can survive an extra rd of melee and still achieve max cannon power afterwards...

George
05-23-2013

Wtb one, any condition. Rosalie/Josianna

Sophia
05-30-2013

FFCV dismantled + ?? For one of these

Kira
06-03-2013

PC for a new ship.
Just wanna know the rate of this ship.

Kira
06-03-2013

Also PC for a new custom Arabian gallary.
Just wanna know the rate of this ship.

Mei Hua
06-03-2013

and us awesome players in nc/non-nc ship will lol at those nc noobs
...talking about nc noob, i want POE back

Kira
06-03-2013

To Mei hua: Ic tks for the infor. I plan to get 1. So got to plan for >15bil for a new MsupF?

Nicola
06-03-2013

10 to 15bil should be more then enough for this ship
if you pay over 15bil , you got scammed :p

Xiao Wei
06-03-2013

15-16b ticket, 20b+ for 8/8 atleast that what I have been getting offered...

Xxuan
06-04-2013

WTB for 5b ticket form.For those who want me to mod and sell 8/8 MsuF it will be 20b, so cash up before even pm me.

Steward
06-04-2013

lol smoking crack again Xxuan

Xxuan
06-04-2013

for those of you who want me to sell it for you, you will never see any of the money and you've just been pirated, enjoy the game.

xXuan
06-04-2013

I LOVE ROLEGOLD.COM!

sephia
06-04-2013

want to sell this ship full mod for $225, pm me ingame sephia

Junchul
06-07-2013

This ship is very underrated. Its tough as hell with in cannon fights with igp and 13+ armor. Its also the highest crew wmb ship currently at 165. This ship is better all around than FIS other than dura. FIS is a better sniper ship but in terms of pvp id much rather prefer this ship.

Naoyasu
06-07-2013

without DHP it is lame

Li Yue
06-07-2013

You must be a noob. Nobody uses DHP in a pvp matchup. 2nd DHP is overrated due to the fact it takes an active skill slot. Snipers use penetration/accuracy, ballistics, evasion. No room for DHP unless pirating or big 5v5 battle where you actually have the risk of taking crit.

Cornelia
06-07-2013

Pvp id take this over FIS anyday with the additional sailors and extra mod slot. Big group battle id take FIS for sniping.

Battousai
06-12-2013

I'm selling this ticket for 15bil, pm me ingame. Thanks!

Kira
06-15-2013

Hi to all. PC this ship.
I wanna buy and just wan those from ticket, not those mod 1.
How much will this ship be just in ticket form?
Tks.

xXuan
06-24-2013

I have 1, but will only trade with AFCV

xXuan
06-24-2013

i have one and ill give it free

Li Yue
06-24-2013

Price Check

Francine
06-25-2013

which is better .... MSuperF/MIS/CIS/MspeciF/FFCV ????? resonable answer please

George
06-26-2013

how much it cost?

Lewis
06-26-2013

Pc MsuperF

Ming Mei
07-02-2013

Ticket form 15b at the highest if u can find one... 8/8 2-3b on top of that

Holfina
07-02-2013

My 8/8 is much more than 2-3b more than 15b. Maybe because i used 8 delphins sails in and it has 8 mods worth of ssips and with such low sailing reqs much more great success. I wouldnt even sell it for 20b. This is a great all arouns ship for any type of battle. It also the WMB ship with the most sailors. May have been 15b ticket when was in tb but now most owners arent selling.

Beatrice
07-02-2013

@Holfina Very True, i had my mod with great success max dura, sail, 25 turn, 17 wave & +15 armor I would even consider selling it with just 20b ducats.

Francine
07-02-2013

Tyoe - @Holfina Very True, i had my mod with great success max dura, sail, 25 turn, 17 wave & +15 armor I wont even consider selling it with just 20b ducats.

Nina
07-02-2013

07-02-2013
Tyoe - @Francine Very True, i had my
mod with great success max dura,
sail, 30 turn, 30 wave & +21 armor I
wont even consider selling it with
just 100b ducats.

Naoyasu
07-02-2013

MKW can beat all ur craazy price ships.
mkw dont need more then 5min to beat them all! :D

Mei Hua
07-02-2013

i think 20b is definitely max for this ship, but obviously u won't find owners who want to sell it easily.

George
07-02-2013

MsupF is not worth 20b, thats pretty much OP.

Sakura
07-02-2013

I wouldnt sell mine for 20b. No reason too. Best WMB ship. Better than FIS.

.
07-02-2013

Dura is more important then crew usually, FIS has 1420 dura, MSuF has 1335 dura. MSuF has higher chances of dying via a critical but other then that MSuF is better :)
-002

Ming Mei
07-02-2013

If skill are setup correctly even a vaiss 6/6 with 1100+ dura is hard enough to kill even with critz shot. I see MSuF is really good where you can kill and avoid being killed if you master the so called skill switching & ofc you need a good team mate to maximize it. Still this ship would be a great ship & with just 20b pure ducats there is no reason to sell.

Jafar
07-03-2013

FIS is only better in fleet battles because its higher dura and DHP. Overall and PVP MSuF is better. MSuF has higher base numbers plus more mods so even 85 less dura but twice the additional armor possible. Also with the extra mod it much easier to calibrate delphin sails to have much more wave and turn than FIS fot better overall handling. Most FIS get +8 armr with no fails as most MSuF double that. DHP is a wasteful skill in PvP, i rather IGP and WMB from MSUF. MSuF is also better in PvP with 12 more sailors than FIS for surviving extra rounds of melee and more attack power in melee. MSuF is a much more powerful ship in 1v1 and can take a beating.

Lewis
07-03-2013

In summary, your personal pvp skill is more important then any ship.

Natascha
07-03-2013

Guys! When you finish cumming all over ny mom. Can you please ask her to make me rice and chicjen? thank you
-002

Umm
07-03-2013

This website is incredibly stupid. How easy it is to be anyone on this website. So lame lol

Lodian_Iluvatar
07-03-2013

I normally don't post on this website, but was looking for my lube. Boomstick do you know where it is? :D yours, Lodi

MilenaReis
07-03-2013

WTS 3-way with EmilyTheRed (red from the whippings) + CRZY (auction whore). Will bring leather and whips, please bring the whipped cream and your own cream. :)

Sonia
07-03-2013

shut upppp

Sylvia
07-03-2013

Wtf Lodian he can taste my juice box
Crzy

Jean
07-03-2013

Lodian is to busy tasting Poosticks' ohhh sorry Boomsticks juicebox.

Sergent002
07-03-2013

I am the mightiest Brony warrior on Gamma and I fight for the glory of Equestria!

Nicola
07-13-2013

whats the price on a ticket for one of these

Shirin
07-13-2013

This is the ship that made CPC famous in her auctions she got it sold for 9.3 billion

Lisa
07-13-2013

Sorry to intrude, would you mind taking that conversation to ingame World chat where it belongs?

Thank you.

Lisa
07-13-2013

Sorry to intrude, would you mind taking that conversation to ingame World chat where it belongs?

Thank you.

Misun
07-13-2013

@Dongwoo
The only pussy you'd ever get is your neighbors cat

Jean
07-13-2013

Ticket is 10-15b normally. This site has gone to hell.

Holfina
07-13-2013

Ticket 12-15b... 8/8 depends where u can find a seller, this is one of those ships where owners rarely would let go of. If you're selling then just shout WTS and wait for offers, u will easily get offers upwards of 15b, then just pick ur highest.

Naoyasu
07-13-2013

naw it's just one or two people who have really decided to show out. Good thing about it is that their attention span is really limited. They'll find a lizard to torture or some moths to tear the wings off of and we'll get a respite until they notice the computer again.

Jean
07-13-2013

Im actually selling one or trading one...

Want a ticket form of this ship in exchange of my modded one, has max 240+ durability, 21 turn, 20 wave resistance, 53 base armour, max cannons and -50 cargo hold, 3 skills, original is not added.

The only thing i want is Ticket form of this ship (panneled as spanish and dismantled if possible, not mandatory) and the money for 4 d gaffs and 2 d storms, i dont care if its money or the NC sails, i dont charge for the SSIPs, Dismantling, Modding Expenses or the FS parts.

If any doubts please leave comment or offer here, thx.

Miyo
07-13-2013

EDITED PREVIOUS POST:

Im actually selling one or trading one...

Want a ticket form of this ship in exchange of my modded one, has max 240+ durability, 21 turn, 20 wave resistance, 53 base armour, max cannons and -50 cargo hold, **2** skills (welcome melee battle and improved gun port skills), original is not added

The only thing i want is Ticket form of this ship (panneled as spanish and dismantled if possible, not mandatory) and the money for 4 d gaffs and 2 d storms, i dont care if its money or the NC sails, i dont charge for the SSIPs, Dismantling, Modding Expenses or the FS parts.

Enver
07-13-2013

Why i only want the 4 D gaffs and 2 d storms is because those were the NC sails i added once i started modding, it is 8/8 spanish panneled.

As said before, i dont care if its the money of the NC sails, i just want to have those sails in inventory for modding it if you have the ticket form.

Sorry if im taking too much space from home page, but figured i missed some specs about the ship that you might be informed about.

Liza
07-16-2013

Hi, Just wondering, is this greater than MIS?

Liza
07-16-2013

Yes when god modded. it same dura but msuf has more sailors and igp skill while MIS has dhp. If not god mod im sure youll find MIS better than some msuf. Hard to god mod these days with lack of delphin sails so if you see a nice MIS id buy .

Emma
07-17-2013

I think it's been mentioned before... MIS/FIS is better in group battle, MSupF is better in single PvP. But basically, both are excellent ships and sailing on either is just as good.

Miyo
07-19-2013

PC?

Li Yue
07-24-2013

just sold one in ticket for 22b

Rashid
07-24-2013

shut up:-O

Sylvia
07-30-2013

just sold one in ticket for 100b

Arabian Marshall
07-30-2013

just sold one in ticket for 200b

Sylvia
07-30-2013

just bought 1 for 2b

Sakura
07-31-2013

how much worth 8/8?

Miyo
07-31-2013

15b above for fully mod

Marshall
07-31-2013

Allah Ecbar hue hue

Enternal
08-04-2013

ok price on this one
wich is mach beter then MspecF
ticket 12-14bil
well moded can hit 18bil
but its risky to bay this bc ther is new ship
wich we will see in next month in tbox
nordic love wich hawe more speed more dura more crew!
so MsupF price will go down minimum 30% to give spaice for MNL

Mei Hua
08-30-2013

I'm guess MNL will 40b

Emma
08-30-2013

Funny, everyone is talking about MNL now. Last year only 2 people were talking about it.

Emma
08-30-2013

cos Norske love is out, so there's a reference now and it's a matter of time MNL shows in TB. But how much effect it'll have on msupf and other wmb ships' pricing depends on drop rate in TB. There's NC versions of la mort, survey frigates etc that Netmarble will have to usher into TBs too so it's not all that simplistic with the price changes.

Beatrice
08-30-2013

enternal, it sounds like you are the one who is in charge of the tbox, knowing exactly when which ship is in. either that or you're trying to buy one of these, so posting that comment will surely get the price down... which one is it?

Enternal
09-02-2013

Emma
its realy simple when u get in all of
its all about tip off from people
and u now what price will chance when next tbox come out

answer to Beatrice
yea in past few days i got pm from people saying no idea what u trying to do ther in wiki but people is trying to get rid of MSF lots of them in servile for sell


and no im not trying to bay one

i sold mine( im big fan of MSF ships) when MSF was on top of price 16bil ticket
i was baying them at 10-12 and seling 15-16 nice clean 4-6bil profit p/s


if anyone is intrested in info

in past past weeks i sold alk 3 of my FIS 8/8 (u can check out in servile)( i was shauting for 2-3 days in servile) sold all of them price is right to sell right now

as far as i see FIS going down soon and in end of this month we will see FIS in new tbox if im not wrong 2.900 nc one( need to check out)

i now lots of people is saying im scamer ( uwo admins and GM dont think so)

but ther is more and more people who pm me asking about prices in game

Enternal
09-02-2013

one more thing i dont mind people pm me asking for price
if u want price u welcome to pm
just ps dont trash talk
( no point i alredy got immunity)

Theo
09-02-2013

haha , yeah yeah go back to seville to shout "WTB all NC ships" who cares what the fuck u scammer trying to do , GM knows u're scammer , fuck off noob , SL = noobs

Enternal
09-02-2013

yes its true i shaut WTB all ships from tbox

but im baying mybe 1% of thos who i got offered!

if gm now im scamer whay im still her?
whay i never get any ban or mute from GM?
not one single time!
at moment im intrested in MFCV and ATS! rest of ships i pass!

Liza
09-02-2013

yeah yeah yeah , shut up and fuck off , go back to your scamming corner and continue crying , no 1 cares

Holfina
09-02-2013

stop trash talk about Enternal pls,he's most respectable mafioso of WOLF_Fang and CO

Holfina
09-02-2013

stop trash talk about Enternal pls,he's most respectable mafioso of WOLF_Fang and CO

Igor
09-02-2013

lol ok loser

Natascha
09-10-2013

Honest question, how much is this nowadays? I've been sailing with my Trading Large Galleon for a very long time and I kind of want to change for a faster ship.

Enver
09-10-2013

Assuming u mean changing for a faster battleship, then it's a massive step-up to MSupF. Ticket 12-14b, 8/8 depends on mods.

jhonc
10-19-2013

WTT/WTS french MSupF 8/8 3skills +max dura +max sails 18turn 12wave +16armour -25%cargo(271cargo) pm me ingame jhonnyconzalez

Holfina
12-19-2013

Maximum number of sailors is 165. Can I add 40 more using FS parts?

Emma
12-20-2013

If you choose to yes. If i were going piracy mod on a WMB ship id go with MIS/FIS/CIS so you can have the DHP.

Miyo
12-26-2013

If you want to sell accounts/ships/ducats/gears for real usd dollars, email to uworeservebank@gmail.com OR
talk to agents on uworb.azurewebsites.net OR
add uwo reserve bank on Facebook, skype

Emma
12-26-2013

If you want to be scammed and fucked over visit that assholes website...

Zeyrion
01-08-2014

WTS/T Venice MSuperF 8/8 3 Skills +250 dura / Max sails / +11 turn / +5wave / +18 armour , -25% cargo (290 Cargo) Pm IGN:Zeyrion

Marshall
01-08-2014

WTS/T with AFCV ticket MsupF otto 8/8 Maxsails/dura/cannon (WMB/IGP/DB)+10ts +10 wr +16 armour -25% or Exchange for AFCV ticket pmme or leave your ign ArabianMarshall

Jean
01-08-2014

Now, does that make any sense selling an almost identical ship at the exact same time..

Lena
01-08-2014

WB scammer Marshall

Dongwoo
01-08-2014

Scammer Marshall? I THought it was ArabianScammer.. anyway, yea the troll is back...

Carla
01-08-2014

give me on reason for it you call me scammer

Carla
01-08-2014

give me on reason for it you call me scammer

Meng Meng
01-08-2014

all i do is sell mine to get AFCV heard it is better and thats fair trade as most ppl told me and not only me sells MSF alot do now days to get AFCV

Lewis
01-13-2014

WTS MsupF 8/8 yellow pannel (-25% cargo) 2 skills, leave IGN

Mroczny95
02-08-2014

WTB ticket, pm me in game

Rashid
02-26-2014

WTS MsupF 8/8 yellow, 4 gaffs 3 storms used, r 20 sb Leave IGN if interested and offer

Lancelot
03-09-2014

Guys, can anyone make me a blueprint for this ship that includes IGP and WMB, thank you guys

Lewis
03-09-2014

No because youre a Fucked off American scum bag fucking loser why don't you do yourself a favor praise allah and then go fucking blow yourself up stupid American pig

Chester
03-12-2014

When doing -20% cargo for this, what are the penalties for this ship?

Kicker
03-12-2014

there is no penalty for -20%

Lancelot
03-12-2014

i think it drops -1 turn, not much more

Claudia
03-12-2014

I hear that butthole talking again. There is no penalty for -20% cargo as an r20 SBer. Actually once you go to -20% there will be an additional +1 Turn added to the ship base turn speed when done with r20 SBer. Anything lesser than -20% or any cargo setting number lower than the effective range minimum number yields penalty even with R20 fleet.

Erda
03-13-2014

PC on 8/8 please

Steward
03-13-2014

15-17b for a well modded 8/8

OUTCAST
03-18-2014

GAMA - WTS MsupF 8/8 +240 Dura, Max Sail, +11 Turn, +11 Wave, + 16 Armr, WMB/IGP/DB(OSS), Otto panel, -25%. 16b cash (or Trade at 10b cash + ship/ticket)PM me IGN - OUTCAST

Erda
03-20-2014

GAMA - WTS MsupF 8/8 +240 Dura, Max Sail, +11 Turn, +11 Wave, + 16 Armr, WMB/IGP/DB(OSS), Otto panel, -25%.

Taking offers pm me

OUTCAST
03-22-2014

GAMA - WTS MsupF 8/8 +240 Dura, Max Sail, +11 Turn, +11 Wave, + 16 Armr, WMB/IGP/DB(OSS), Otto panel, -25%.

Taking offers or trade in the 13b area - pm me

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Erda
03-23-2014

Yufie
03-23-2014

Io
03-23-2014

Warleds
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Rashia
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Carla
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03-23-2014

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Hernan
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MrsCandy
04-23-2014

My opinion only about 5 NC ships from 1st age will likely survive or retain there status/market price for the future of 2nd age and fusion update in NO particular order:

1. FATS = No melee or deck battle
2. AATS = Same as FATS
3. HSFCV = Highest dura of all NC ships
4. AFCV = Best Tank ship
5. FIS = DHP skill

Again, my opinion not manipulating market prices in the game. :)

Mrs.Banks
04-23-2014

afcv will be a godship lolz

isko
04-24-2014

AFCV god ship? like even a noob can ride it and win against a vet? i dont think so...

this ship still has potential IF you know how to use it.

its not the ship... its the captains skills...

price for this ship... i dont have any idea... but id choose this over afcv anytime. why? coz ive got nasty plans for it if i get one

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