Shirin
12-27-2011

It's the famous "Manila galleon"

Steward
02-10-2012

is it possible to build one?

George
02-24-2012

is it possible to build one now ?

Lancelot
02-24-2012

no it is not

Wen zhi
04-03-2012

You need T3 Update to have it in game
Just wait for UWO update

Claudia
06-18-2012

this would make a good dungeon and production ship

...
06-18-2012

Gusto ko ito! >_<

Claudia
06-18-2012

dungeon production you mean like TLG except smaller...

Claudia
06-18-2012

It's not smaller, don't know where you're getting that.

TLG maxes out at 943 I believe and this one will go to 1075

Nicola
06-18-2012

augh no i got it wrong, it maxes at 999, not 1075.

Nevertheless, still larger than TLG

Shirin
06-18-2012

but dungeon you do with esbt from eu you never fill your hold on each visit and production well you got an extra 60 hold wow well worth the extra 6m

its basicly a big slow pirate magnet

Lena
06-19-2012

Shirin you dnt need ESBT if you go to the dungeon it self. . . .

Kicker
06-19-2012

Flagship of the Philippines Company in Lisbon.

Francine
06-19-2012

i want this to be my battle ship when this will be available?

Shirin
06-19-2012

This is not a battle ship.

Chester
06-20-2012

i know its not but i want to use it for battle thats why im asking when it will be available in game?

Dongwoo
06-25-2012

today

Enver
06-25-2012

go to the dungeon itself in this TUG and i promise you i will hunt you all the way to EU repeatedly

Junchul
06-27-2012

i dont see this ship at manila right now, the only one that pops there is the Tri-deck galleon, a maritime ship. also i have invested over 100m in the city so this is not the problem.

do we need more dev? currently dev is at 34794.

Enver
06-27-2012

35337 now, ive thrown away 100 more.

Francine
06-28-2012

I'll invest 100mil if someone will build me one once it's available.

sanji
06-28-2012

i think need more development in this city.

Chee
06-28-2012

i have prepared parts to build 5 of this ship and found out the development not enough, would be really happy if u will invest there >.

Chester
06-28-2012

The real question should be....does it will be available to be build with less than 65k dev? or it needs more than that?

Moriel
06-28-2012

This ship is going to be pretty slow, personally as a person that does long distance merchant trading i would prefer a faster ship with less cargo, because time = money

Sonia
06-28-2012

lol slower than MAV

Misun
06-28-2012

this is not meant to be your flagship in the fleet... this one is about cargo. this is an upgrade of your TLG.

btw, please invest in Manila. we still dont have this ship there afaik.

Hans
06-29-2012

BigSven shall invest if someone promises to build me one when it's available.

Spy.
06-29-2012

I'm not sure, but one of the GM said that all the new ship will be available only through NC things, I repeat i'm not sure.
--Through Forum

Jafar
06-29-2012

Hmm seems spy is correct, GMbonney seems to be saying he has confirmed with the devs that the Xebec frigate, the Xebec cruiser, and the manila galleon will be available only as NC ships. I have asked for confirmation, if anyone wants to see the forum post its on the uwo website

Jafar
06-29-2012

Ouch :D

Moriel
06-29-2012

I encourage anyone not happy with it to say so on the forum, let them know how we feel. Probably wont do any good but at least we can speak our minds

Misun
06-29-2012

:(

Cornelia
06-29-2012

i've invested millions of ducats for nothing.

Chee
06-29-2012

WHAT! not fair! gimme the link to the forum please

Montador
06-29-2012

Can't post links. I just tried. Go to main Netmarble site --> Community --> Discussion - General --> "new ships on this patch" thread.

Mr.Grandenigo
06-29-2012

What are you people crying about so loud?
I really can only see that this ship is a magnet for people who want to multifleet. So to say, "those of you who do", have milions if not bilions of ducats and should return a favour to the game which made you rich and simply invest Manila with your huge profits.
As for the other thing, i dont know if Manila galleon is NC only, but can confirm that have allready built xebec cruiser and xebec frigate.
Such a damn good ship, might outclass those small clippers real soon.

PS: You did not invest for nothing, you trained sociability and gotten trade fame ;)

Greetings from Mr.Grandenigo!

Moriel
06-29-2012

Well i for one dont think its that great of a ship, but its pure greed on netmarble's part if they made it NC only. Its definately not high enough caliber to warrant the "nc ship only" tag, and the only reason they would do it, if they indeed did, was that they felt alot of new players wanted it, and they felt they could make some cash off of it.

As an aside note, the post under the name "jafar" right under spy was done by me, and i forgot to change the name. It seems the xebec cruiser was wrong and i shouldnt have typed that name in. the new ships in the recent patch, if i am not mistaken, are xebec frigate, roman galley, and manila galleon. And GMBonny has not yet replied, but here is a direct quote for those that havent read the forum post:




"by toshihiko on Jun 27, 2012 09:23 PM

Hi GM,

what are the new ship that are release on this patch

from web,

xebec frigate and roman galley

so what other ships?


IGN : Hinaichigo, 57/65/56

Sewing, Handi, Casting, Cooking and SB

Deputy Director of London Trading Company"



"by GM_Bonny Jun 28, 2012 02:55 PM

Hello toshihiko

I have confirmed with the devs that these ships will only be available in the NC store.

Cheers!"

Spy.
06-29-2012

Whew, someone just QQ the game and of course i made a complaint :)
Follow my leads? aye?
No? -__- fine... aha~

Mr.Grandenigo
06-29-2012

Once again i MUST reply, i really dont know why you beleive everything you read on a forum and BTW, so what if a "GM" says it, its just a person.

So im telling you again: I ALLREADY BUILT roman galley, xebec cruiser and xebec frigate.
Dont really know why manila galleon would be any different, just develop the town and see for yourself.
By the way, i remember similar whining about developing Havana when Schooners came out....

One more fact, NC ship usualy have prefix "modified" in front of their name, there is only 2 such ships i see;
Modified Highly Agile Xebec and Modified Square Sail Xebec

Mr.Grandenigo
06-29-2012

Allright , found it :
Modified Manila Galleon (cant post link), see the difference?

Spy.
06-29-2012

I feel so stupid of not thinking of a modified version... oh well x)

Montador
06-29-2012

No stats on the Modified Manila Galleon yet but it has increased hold capacity. So it should be the king of cargo for all ships on the server... since the normal Manila Galleon can reach almost to 1000, the modified one - maybe 1050 or 1100.

Laurencio
06-30-2012

2 words: Develop Manila.

Francine
07-01-2012

invest!!! please lol this ship is great

Chee
07-01-2012

???
is this ship still has hope by investing???
why bonny doesnt reply the thread by saying manila galleon is available by invest???

Holfina
07-02-2012

thats a good question Chee.

Io
07-02-2012

@chee

why dont you go ask GM_Bonny on the Netmarble site,
as this site is NOT a Netmarble site ok...

FCBarcelona
07-02-2012

Is this ship even any good for anyone other than mulifleeters/multiboxers???

P.S. Come back to game Chee plz.

Naoyasu
07-02-2012

i think this ship might well be the best ship in its class

Ship Class type : PIRATE MAGNET

Begas
07-02-2012

GMBrewmaster just confirmed that this need 52k development in manilla

Enver
07-02-2012

Right now Manila is at 36095 development

Carla
07-03-2012

How much investment does it need to get to 52k development?

Manila
07-03-2012

Manila investment = 36105.

But I've just invested 100 million so that will jump up soon.

Wen zhi
07-03-2012

yeah that will jump a couple hundred points at least

Naoyasu
07-03-2012

development is readjusted hourly so go check n let us know exactly how much development increased with your 100m invest please it would be nice to know

Meng Meng
07-03-2012

Development .
Need crazy amount of money to raise the point T_T

Natascha
07-03-2012

lol so its at least 2hours since your '100mil invest post' and neither you or anybody else has posted new development figure for Manila.

when i get in from work in about an hour im tempted to sail over there from Caribbean just to check Manila's development n post here so we got some idea what 100m invest equates to in development points.

it will be approx 4hrs after your post but im pretty sure the increase will be small...

Montador
07-03-2012

My company member, LukeCoolhair, invested a billion (or so) today and flipped it to Ottoman. Not sure of the dev now but it should show a nice increase.

Laurencio
07-03-2012

it would show only 100 mil equivalent increase, the rule is for more dev invest at max 100-200 mil per hour total, to flip port invest the max you can the faster you can, so if he wanted to just dev it he threw away 800-900 mil.

Montador
07-03-2012

I didn't say that he invested 1 billion in one hour.

Emma
07-04-2012

Montador, he should invest more. Lol

Lisa
07-04-2012

37669 dev 3-jul-12 6pm gmnt-4

Montador
07-04-2012

I invested 125 m just before the maintenance. Hopefully get the dev up to more than 38000.

Montador
07-04-2012

38159 now... hmm.... I think I'll drop another 100.

Moriel
07-05-2012

GMBonny just issued a correction on the NM forums, said there was a mis-communication and that the manila galleon is definately available to be built in game

Montador
07-06-2012

Development at 41078. I put another 110m so it'll go up a bit. Let's get investing people.

Steward
07-07-2012

whats the Dev at now?

Maria
07-08-2012

41602

keep pumping more money in :D

Sylvia
07-08-2012

yeah! keep pumping so SB'er will sell this for 70mil! -_-

Theo
07-08-2012

so sylvia, do you think having rank 19/20 sb, plus hauling 5 hard-to-make and time consuming pieces all the way to manila then back to europe, an easy task that should not be rewarded with even a mere 70m ? :/

Emma
07-08-2012

oh and dont forget the ship costs an additional 10-11m ish to make, as well as the 5 pieces...

Sylvia
07-08-2012

im a R19 SB'er and no i will not sell for 70mil and i never sell more then 1.5X price of build cost unlike peopl like you who make excuses to sell at stupid high prices, i sell at a nice respectable price.. Why? 1. they sell faster(alot faster) 2. so leaves me more room to make more to sell and 3. So in long run i make more money and profits then you all who try sell at high price... no im not in it for money even thou its nice and all i do it for the fairness to make it a enjoyable and less frustrating game to players

So ty and good-bye

Claudia
07-09-2012

lool its good to know ur ships wont be many so the normal prices will prevail over ur dump strategy...

Francine
07-09-2012

Claudia your a moron Sylvia's strat is really smart and much alot of sence so i think ima do the same damn thing and the "normal prices" are over priced due to greed hungry losers who care nothing but to rip people off

Francine
07-09-2012

And Sylvia's ship would not be many in bazaar due to it selling fast so in sence alot people will have them soon and your over priced ship will nvr sell =)

Laurena
07-09-2012

Manila is easily 1 hour away, 1 hour back, plus 27 building days per ship, not to mention the problem of having to contend with pirates.

the base cost of the ship, including parts, will be around 20 million, so if you only sell at 150% profit, if you can manage to bring back 3, thats 30 million profit, and it takes almost 5 hours of labor. if you do the math, thats 6 million per hour. Sure, you can combine it with a spice run, and increase the profit, but even with spice, 860 cargo per 5 hours of work, at 20,000 in the company shop, 17.2 million, plus the 30 million from the ships, is almost 50 million. Ok thats easy math now, the profit is 10 mil per hour.

Heck i can earn 3 times that amount farming easy to get items like AOS, which sells very well, without having to leave the safety of europe. And you dungeon grinders out there, who live at lima, can easily confirm that 10 million per hour is definately considered low profit compared to dungeon runs.

It takes alot of hard work to get to r19, and if shipbuilders are going to be expected to dedicate their whole day to making and selling a few ships, then they should be paid for their time and skill. I personally think 70 million is a bit high, but anything less than 45 million is a joke and is insulting to the time consuming effort these ships take.

Laurena
07-09-2012

And given the time involved in making them, gathering parts, sailing there, etc, you will be lucky to sell more than 4 or so per day. You cannot "sell more by lowering the cost" as you say, because even if you sell them fast, there will be another 5 hour time sink to make more

Enver
07-09-2012

Sounds like you need shared storage.

Chester
07-09-2012

what laurena said :D

and, thanks, you saved me some time putting the calc here i didnt have time for that.

Holfina
07-09-2012

you whiny assed git 'contend with pirates '

im a trader currently alchemist im lvl 52 ive been pirated x2 in 18months in SEA - it has cost me 189k cash 70 spices and 1x21/24/-1 sail which was low dura.

now exactly how much do you have to 'contend with pirates' in your 2hours of sailing, taking into account the new pirate rules, the fact that pirates cant take a ship from you and you dont carry cargo and dont need carry that much cash either,then there's the fact 'player pirates' dont hunt near Manilla (i have a pirate alt), also if in Manilla head east to Panama you will never see a pirate,

AND YOUR CHARGING AN EXTRA 59m TO COVER YOUR 'contend with pirates' BS

Holfina
07-09-2012

^^^^ and if your a good SB 59m x 4 per trip to cover your 'contend with pirates clause'
i see you didnt enter your true ign as of course you wouldnt want this bad press huh

Rashid
07-09-2012

contend with pirates MAJOR FAIL

Lena
07-09-2012

SB was your career choice wasn't it?
and i bet all my damn dungeon, adventuring, trading and alchemy-made cash that you aint
just a shipbuilder that you also adventure, trade and dungeon also just as much as the people your dissing in your statement so 'wind yer neck in' stop yer BS

Cao Wei
07-09-2012

yes then theres the shared storage and multi alt concept that most SB worth their salt would utilize so then you dont sail back n fore to Manilla just chuck boat to shared store get out other end on alt pass to another acct to sell

(we all know SB grind the skill back to back all day losing cash, so doing it to make a profit wont be hard for you to do again huh)

So 27min per ship =2 an hour = 16 per day(profit margin just went up considerably) now its 160m per day by your own reckoning

NEVER TRY AND BS ANOTHER SB ON A FORUM DEAR

Sylvia
07-09-2012

so to re-cap for the SB charging 70m per ship, that's,
40m (profit per ship)
x16 (ships per day)
=640m per day profit -
(^^^^this is to cover the cost of contending with pirates for 2 hours)

yes yes yes i can see where your being completely honest about your BS now

Sophia
07-09-2012

id like the name of any DUNGEON GRINDER out there that can make 640m per day dungeoning

maybe 'Laurena' could tell us of 1

Cornelia
07-09-2012

all from holfina to now is me and im r19 SB i get shared short term from TB and if i do it then why not you ?... you telling me you dont spend cash? also the profit margin is greater fr the 70m dude as he could actually make the parts as i do

Port Official
07-09-2012

lol i just noticed you took 8months it only took me 3 and i was taking my time

Laurena
07-09-2012

This will be my last post then im going to stop. You guys are just plain stupid, contending with pirates was never my main point, and i never claimed it to be a major factor in the price. If you read my post, my main point for the high cost was the time consuming effort they take, and the limited number of ships that can be made per day.

My original post is 100% accurate. You rich snobs who pump hundreds of real life dollars into the game per month can just shut the hell up, not everyone is rich enough to have shared storage.

And yes, Laurena is my real character name in game, so message me all you like, and if i sell ships, ill charge what i darn well please, because that 160 mil per day claim is garbage.

Do not BS a shipbuilder? i want to see you make 16 ships per day if you are on a fixed income and cannot afford shared storage. I think im the one that should be saying that, because you are definately throwing out alot of BS

By the way, having an alt active as the same time as your shipbuilder, such as dragging alts to manila to make more ships, is against the games rules, and ill be the first to report you if i see it happening, and get you banned.

Maybe you should learn a little more before you open your big mouth next time, and realize that if you are following the rules of the game, and you cannot afford to spend real money for in game items like shared storage, then 4-5 ships per day, and a 10 million per ship profit is all you will get if you sell those at 150% profit.

Francine
07-09-2012

@ jafar you mean the lowest common denominator = THE TRUTH

Francine
07-09-2012

$10 shared storage for 1 month sit in Manilla that long making this ship and use that 10 bucks to its fullest
16 ships per day
x30 days
x40m profit per ship
=19.2b profit

Laurena
07-09-2012

I know i said that last post would be my last, but i justwanted to add something.

Why dont we have shared storage? its called making a budget and
sticking to it, when you have bills to pay and live on a fixed income, you bank your money and save it for a rainy day, instead of the "its only 5 dollars" method you obviously use.

When you start spending money foolishly for in game items, then it gets easier to spend more and more. I do not have a credit card, because it is too easy to spend money on the internet. No credit card = no NC points, no points = no shared storage, and no shared storage is 50 million per day profit max.

Yes i do dungeons and make money adventuring and thats my point. Why should shipbuilders waste their time delivering ships for low profit, when they can make much more profit elsewhere. Do you really expect shipbuilders to grind SB to max, and then deliver ships with low profit when they could be doing other things that are far more profitable?

If you guys are rank 19 SB and have shared storage and can just pump em out dozens at a time without sailing back then im happy for you. But i dont, and if i wanna make that trip worthwhile i need to charge more.

And why even bellyache in the first place? players can easily earn 40 million per 2 hours of work in todays game.

If you read my post, i said, quite clearly, 70 million was too high, and anything below 45 was too low, so working 2 hours to get a new ship, that has a ship skill and 999 cargo? sounds fair to me

Lewis
07-09-2012

if you did it in 3 months then you clearly have no life and no job and spend 15 hours a day on the game.

as for the ridiculous math there might I ask who in their right mind is going to spend 8 hours a day every day building ships? and then at least another 8 hours each day in bazaar to sell them?

you people are just flat out stupid

Laurencio
07-09-2012

How do u level shipbuilding or any skill for that matter if you dont grind it hour after hour. Visit seville and look into bazaars, many AFK's

Ming Mei
07-09-2012

IM STUPID AND YOU ONLY MAKE 50M PROFIT A DAY FROM SB

IF I BELIEVED ALL YOUR SELF JUSIFYING BS THEN YES IM DEFINATLY STUPID

YOUVE BEEN PROVED WRONG AND YOU DONT LIKE IT...

Kennit
07-09-2012

please please please build lots of these slow boats and charge the earth for them that way not only will i pirate them but essentially youve pirated them also double kill hehehehe

Cao Wei
07-09-2012

hey if your such a budgeter why did you choose a job that costs so damn much? saving it for a rainy day were you

i budget and i got $10 spare after so i spend it here rather than hope i survive until that rainy day you mention because if you get to death before your rainy day you will kick yourself that its sitting there and you didnt spend it

Erda
07-09-2012

a Laurena so you actually mean *

hey i dungeon and adventure and trade and in 5 hours i can make 100m profit so if ima build you a ship the price is going to reflect my losses from any other profit makin i do normally in that time

Kennit
07-09-2012

^^^ good point from now on i shall blockade ports it will cost 50m each to leave as i could make that much profit just from SB this ship twice

Lisa
07-09-2012

what you guys don't get is that most shipbuilders don't waste time building ships for sale anymore. for friends and company members sure but there is not enough profit in it for the time demands. not to mention having to deal with whinny, needy people who want everything handed to them and want it down ASAP and don't want to pay nothing but cost or slightly above.

its funny people don't think twice about paying 70 million for a sword or 50 million for some enhanced boots.. ect...ect... ect...

but for a ship? good luck getting a price to fairly compensate for the time and effort. all you people are doing is drying up the ship building market.

Laurena
07-09-2012

Then dont concern yourself with what other players are doing and stop poking your nose where it isnt wanted.

You are rude and obnoxious, if you are r19 then you can sell your ships for what you want, we will sell them at what we want. You can save your self rightous attitude for someone else.

You will not alter our prices any, so if you think you can spite us by selling them at dirt cheap then do your worst, i wont care one bit i have other ways to make money in game.

And just for the record i just hit r19 yesterday dork, so i havent had a chance to make and sell any ships at all, the profit i listed was the profit one would make if they didnt have shared storage and tried to sell manila galleons at your stupid price.

Ironically, you agreed with me. making 50 million a day as a SBer is stupid, so, if i charged what you said, then i am indeed stupid

Laurena
07-09-2012

Sorry lisa that wasnt directed at you, it was directed at the whiney players above us.

I agree 100% with what you said

Hans
07-09-2012

there are 6 rank 19 shipbuilders and 1 rank 20 in my company and not a single one bothers to waste the time to build ships specifically for sale anymore. it isn't worth the time and it certainly isn't worth the trouble of dealing with unappreciative people that are so clearly displayed right here on this page

Hernan
07-09-2012

while many R19 SB i know start disappearing, even one of them deleting her account because false information about this ship on forum
keep trolling us, keep calling us no lifers and don't look at our struggle to reach R19
enough of this, i wont sell my service anymore
only for friends and comp members
good luck finding R19 shipbuilders that willing to build ship for you while their population are near extinct and not many people choose this profession

regards, R19 SB

Meng Meng
07-09-2012

no i did not agree with you that you only make 50m per day SBing

@hans
if you have no intention as a SB to make ships to sell to the masses why the hell did you take up SB in the first place, because at r19/20 youve lost so much damn money that you will never make back ever, if your only building for yourself , your company and friends

or did your 7x company SB's plough all that gamecash in, blindly believing they could compete with NC ships

the real reason why SB's dont waste their time building ships, is because the majority of players spend gamecash on buying NC ships from other players, not standard ships from SB's.
because the dungeons have made earning gamecash easy, a month or two at Lima and you can pretty much afford any NC ship

Hernan
07-09-2012

you still need SB at certain rank to improve your fancy NC ship, and some ship skills need certain rank of SB to appear and surely you want to improve your fancy NC ship with R19/20 SB to get max performance, otherwise it's junk

nah good luck finding one, i'm outta here

Kennit
07-09-2012

i know many =) but i dont want this shitmagnet

Kennit
07-09-2012

lol i also dont sail/own fancy NC ships

Port Official
07-09-2012

comment about This ship sure is long ...
LoL

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

I read some... My better half is a rank 20 SB in the game, and we play together. He took SB just for us to make ships and improve what we have. He refuses to build ships for non company members, and I understand why. People here are a good example of what kind of people he has to deal with. Ship I wonder how many of the mouthy whiners here are REAL RANK 20 SHIPBUILDERS, come on, you want to make a point right? Leave your IGN.

As for the price, I'd pay 70 million for this ship and I do believe that's a fair price. And for people who's using this math bullshit about how 16 ships a day can make them billions of profits... Did you include how long each ships take? 25?30 minutes? Multiply that to 16 ships. That's 7 hours of shipbuilding. And it's easy to say that it doesn't sound bad because they don't have to do anything but sit outside, but that's just inconsiderate to say so. Do none of you ever wonder why there are a lot of shipbuilders, but rank 20 shipbuilders are like gems?

Carla
07-10-2012

well i believe 40m is a good price for ReForged Black Prince armour, being as only alchemist can make it and this skill cost lots to grind also, and the sailing round making ingredients etc, but would you pay that much just because I SAID its worth that much ???
well blueberry, laurena, hernan, hans, lisa etc etc

Laurencio
07-10-2012

and you expect me to take your word for your 70m tag hmmm

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

AAH nameless commenters.. How nice of people to prove my point about ungrateful whiners.. You pay for the work and how high the level was needed to produce or obtain the goods. You wanna know why sewing version books get more expensive as you go? Because you need to plunder them off ships.. HIGH plunder..Same shit with everything else in the game. How much trouble did you put into making that armor? How hard was the materials to get? How hard was the recipe to get?.. This boat is a free style ship build. It needs parts. Do you expect SB in manila to teleport to seville to pick up parts for you and then get it done ASAP? Or if you request this ship from EU? HEY! if you think it's absolutely hogwash that 70 million is totally not worth the time and effort RARE HIGH-RANKED SHIP BUILDERS put on the game to grind the skill for months, then hey! Maybe you should take up ship building for yourself? Cos apparently, you know damn well it doesn't take much effort to be able to build ships like this ^^

Io
07-10-2012

7hours of shipbuilding are you complaining bout that, bet you happily do 7 hrs adventuring or at oxford or dungeoning or grinding a skill such as well SB for example, but when its to make an honest (not inflated) profit its a hardship for ya is it.
What you mean is you make bigger profits elsewhere in the game, you all r19, ADMITTED here you only build for your companies, friends etc-so shut up.
We obviously dont need a reply from you lot, your prices mean jack, because you only build for your friends...

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

AAH nameless commenters.. How nice of people to prove my point about ungrateful whiners.. You pay for the work and how high the level was needed to produce or obtain the goods. You wanna know why sewing version books get more expensive as you go? Because you need to plunder them off ships.. HIGH plunder..Same shit with everything else in the game. How much trouble did you put into making that armor? How hard was the materials to get? How hard was the recipe to get?.. This boat is a free style ship build. It needs parts. Do you expect SB in manila to teleport to seville to pick up parts for you and then get it done ASAP? Or if you request this ship from EU? HEY! if you think it's absolutely hogwash that 70 million is totally not worth the time and effort RARE HIGH-RANKED SHIP BUILDERS put on the game to grind the skill for months, then hey! Maybe you should take up ship building for yourself? Cos apparently, you know damn well it doesn't take much effort to be able to build ships like this ^^

Etta
07-10-2012

oh you mean like HIGH rank search and HIGH rank alchemy and yes theres a shitload of sailing around to gather the ingredients also maybe you should look into it..

Etta
07-10-2012

or do you expect me to run round like a headles chicken making stuff for you and charge you a cheap price for my efforts

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

@Etta are you talking to me?

Nicola
07-10-2012

Madam'Blueberry wins flawless victory.

Etta
07-10-2012

ps i dont want this ship but it seems your dissing everybody who isnt a SB
because we havnt put as much effort into our trades, im a r11 alchemist with cast, sew, hc, storage, etc r15 are you saying my grinding has been miniscule compared to you grinding SB

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

@ Etta did you read what I said? I don't understand why it can't be any clearer

"You pay for the work and how high the level was needed to produce or obtain the goods."

"How much trouble did you put into making that armor? How hard was the materials to get? How hard was the recipe to get?"

Idk Etta you tell me.. -,-

Etta
07-10-2012

how hard is the shipbuilding recipe to get and the materials etc for this ship

Etta
07-10-2012

im only r12 SB so i aint got a clue

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

@ Etta did you read what I said? I don't understand why it can't be any clearer

"You pay for the work and how high the level was needed to produce or obtain the goods."

"How much trouble did you put into making that armor? How hard was the materials to get? How hard was the recipe to get?"

Idk Etta you tell me.. -,-

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

@ Etta did you read what I said? I don't understand why it can't be any clearer

"You pay for the work and how high the level was needed to produce or obtain the goods."

"How much trouble did you put into making that armor? How hard was the materials to get? How hard was the recipe to get?"

Idk Etta you tell me.. -,-

Etta
07-10-2012

well you cant really give a price from a buyers point of view because if your better half builds for ya i doubt he would charge ya

Holfina
07-10-2012

when was a ship built for ya from scratch by some1 other
than your better half a friend or comp member that you were charged for

Madam'Blueberry
07-10-2012

@etta that's unbelievably the stupidest analogy I've read in my entire life. It would be as dumb as telling you that you cant your on your goods because you made it. Do you know how markets work? Do you know why at 4 months ago, QMPs sell for 150k and now they're double that? Do you understand any of these things that affects the game?

Sylvia
07-10-2012

thers not a lot of people here who puts ther names on latly except for MB// etta lo holfina and d others it wud only be fair to put ur ign on or else ur probably d same person pretending to be 3 other people

Mei Hua
07-10-2012

when you adjust the cargo to max of effective range or max with penalty the price of the build goes up. its going to cost about 13 million as the build cost alone

then you need 5 parts and i'll go on the low side of prices for ship parts
you need a large latin or large square sail : 2-3 more million
you need a Modified Heavy Gun Port : 2-3 more million
you need a Large 3 decked hull : 4-5 million

then any ship builder worth a damn is not going to waste the 2 slots left so will add a ship skill. most likely for this ship a workshop

you need a Workshop : 3-4 million
you need a Warehouse : 3-4 million

so you are reasonably looking at a cost to build of 27-32 depending on the price of the parts

then you have to sail to Manilla a back

so please tell me again how this ship is only worth 30 million or so

i really wish this site would make people register because its flooded with morons spreading misinformation and no doubt posing as more then 1 person

Etta
07-10-2012

you stated that your hubby took up SB to build ships for the 2 of you and that he never builds for any , except comp members etc. Many have stated the same

did he invest 100's of millions developing Manila to get the recipe available?
does he build his own parts or buy from bazaars?
has he built one of these and sold to you or a comp member for 70m?

Etta
07-10-2012

ah i see well i make all my stuff using recipes from base materials up i dont buy my ingredients from other players bazaars so that cuts alot off my prices

Lisa
07-10-2012

if you made the parts (which most people would think you do)then that would cut approx 16m off the build cost

Io
07-10-2012

well even if you make your own parts those parts still have value and a worth.

so you make them but now you are going to have to spend a hour sailing around collect mats, then you have to go and build the parts in three different cities. so now you have added another three or four hours total or so to the 2 and half it takes to sail to Manila build the ship and sail back.

now unless you have shared storage or break the games rules and use an alt, inventory and ship slots is going to be a problem so you probably can only make two

you are going to spend about 6 to 7 hours doing it this way to make 2 ships. go ahead do all that work spend all that time and sell it for 30 million

Etta
07-10-2012

oh so basicly the 70m price tag is to compensate you for buying parts from other players

so as an alchemist i should be lazy n buy my alchemy ointments from other players -never seen players sell this.
buy my black prince armor from a player -seen 2 in bazaars last 18months.
Medusa's curse never seen this on sale anywhere either

but im pretty sure if i bought all these ingredients from players then id be spending in region of 12-15m so i could charge 20m+ easily

but i make all my ingredients and sell the armor at 12-16m cause i aint lazy

Etta
07-10-2012

^^^ well i did but now on i shall double my prices because you lovely people have shown me the light

Laurena
07-10-2012

Well i see alot of yelling and screaming, but i assure you i AM a r19 Sber, and Laurena IS my IGN

Message me all you want, i for one think 50-70 million is a fair price, and if i sell any thats what ill charge

Cao Wei
07-10-2012

etta, what's ur in game name? ur a little too ignorant to even have an opinion on a job that you obviously dont even know how to do.

Etta
07-10-2012

notice how Etta appear with so many different faces! Cao Wei whats your IGN-MINE IS Etta

Mei Hua
07-10-2012

and what do you know about free style ship building? "etta"

Mei Hua
07-10-2012

and what do you know about free style ship building? "etta"

Beatrice
07-10-2012

parts have valueyes , you have opened my eyes ,
so i make my different ingredients and once they are made, they have added value. then when i goto the next process i add more value then more on next process as there are many processes before i get to make alchemy ointments, so as such 1 black alch ointment is now worth 4mil need 7 to make ReForged BPa wow its truly worth 40m now hmm reforged silver plated armor for 200m anyone

Natascha
07-10-2012

that's not the question.. the question was what do u know about free style ship building? and all the production skills have their own market that defines their price. so it's stupid of you to equate ship bulding = alchemy. are u sure ur playing the same game?

Jafar
07-10-2012

Mei Hua = your IGN or is it Cao Wei?
im only r12 SB as i stated on single line post above
so not much my Fs experience encompasses only making free ships for noobs not r19/20, obviously, but i can make most of the parts myself
now your going to say i should shut up until im r19/20 then ill have a right to comment but im a buyer like anybody else and i know the price of parts etc

if i charged my time at seas sailing onto my gear nobody would buy it but you take that into account for your SB

Misun
07-10-2012

then you can feel free to finish leveling up you shipbuilding and spend the time to make the parts and this ship and sell it for 30 million

i on the other hand if i make it will sell for 55-65 million

Holfina
07-10-2012

natascha your ign?
look at recipe for re issued silver plated armour now see where all the individual parts are made etc alchemy processes, adventure, search, etc for 1 armor recipe is more processes and more possible fails and more sailing than SB for 1 ship so alchemy is more costly per recipe.

i was never comparing the 2 if you read my first post was
'if i say an item i made was worth 40 mil would you pay 40m just because i said it was so or would you question it'

so read back before i have to spend the next day explaining it to you

Etta
07-10-2012

now at last you see why i was questioning the price
1st 70 m
you say 55-65m
laurena say 40 45m

now, if we just shut up and dont question the SB.
we only have the first price and we have no idea of value. now all have a better idea of the ships actual value because we have 3x prices

do you see why i question now?

Shirin
07-10-2012

no free style ship building experience and yet you think you know enough that ship builders can and should make parts themselves just so you can get it dirt cheap. im trying to gauge what you are and how you place in a convo about free style ship building that you dont know how to do. so where is all this ignorant opinions of yours coming from?

Lisa
07-10-2012

and no im not that ship builder up there> im just an anonymous trolling commentor like you

Etta
07-10-2012

i can do fs sb and have for myself so i have enough experience i make all the parts for my ships ok

Etta
07-10-2012

Etta is my IGN im not anonymous like you

Theo
07-10-2012

oh then by your suggestions "etta"
people who build this ship should be able to make their own parts so ignorant people like you get "what you pay for"

so basically, ur not telling these people to grind sb
you want them to grind

sewing
casting
handicrafts etc

and parts take up space which only have 50.
so the most they can make is 3 ships
210 million a day? might as well do some dungeons and drop ship building. because its not worth it.

dats a lot of in pocket expenses just to kiss your whining little ass.

Etta
07-10-2012

also i aint throwing insults around like you lot the more i talk to you here the less likely i am to buy from you all in game.

im questioned the original price as stated by some one of 70m now after a day of trolling something i dont enjoy i finally have 3 very different quotes

Holfina
07-10-2012

oh wait thats the wrong price.. it's not 210 million cos 70 million is too much for this ship right? it should be 30 million according to you, right?????

Etta
07-10-2012

theo give your ign please

i have to make all the individual parts for my recipes because nobody sells them. should i pass on that sailing around cost on to the buyer like you suggest alchemy recipes items will skyrocket

Etta
07-10-2012

read back i never stated it should be any price i merely asked if 70 was fair i do not want to buy this ship

Nicola
07-10-2012

ign? etta is not even real wat makes you think i want to sell from a self righteous jerk lyk u who underestimates peoples time work and effort in the game except for yourself? so hers my ign for u etta ..l.,

Etta
07-10-2012

your saying i should just accept the first price as quoted and trust im not being scammed so if r19 SB said its 500m then i should just shut up and accept

Etta
07-10-2012

Etta= in case you cant see it clearly- a capital 'E' then 3 lower case letter 'tta'

im not currently online and im a real master alchemist

Etta
07-10-2012

3 x different quotes have been added since the initial quote and queery

Etta
07-10-2012

if you want proof i exist in game my company is in Alexandria theres only 6companies im a director of FromSEA2C

go check

Etta
07-10-2012

I just read back through this page and I realized I am a total clueless asshole

Etta
07-10-2012

insults really how brave

sticks and stones ....

Etta
07-10-2012

come join my company in Alexandria we have a gay ole time if you know what I mean :)

Etta
07-10-2012

Sorry. In all honesty I just talk like this for the sake of it. I dont care about the ship builders in the game. I want my money to stay in my bank so I want it free if I can get it.

Lancelot
07-10-2012

why not make it like this
shipbuilder stop making and selling ships/service for public
and alchemists stop selling alchemy item (reissued armor, fool hands, etc) for public too
let's see who can survive, the one without ship or the other without alchemy-made item =))

*ah dont care about me, i'm just pathetic anonymous troll who enjoy this show =))

Etta
07-10-2012

got my ships how i like them, none are that difficult to improve, and i guess by the time i need a bigger ship, i will have managed to grind SB to a high enough rank to build it.

if not i will happily pay my friends to swap jobs and pay more than expected, as i have in the past.

i would not buy this ship - its far too slow for my needs,
but at least prices quoted so far range 40m-70m
(not a flat rate of 70m as first stated)

Natascha
07-10-2012

its a galleon its not meant to be fast. for a ship builder u dont know shit about ships.

Etta
07-10-2012

i merely stated why i wouldn't buy it personally Natascha
it was not an observation of the ships merits to anybody else

Etta
07-10-2012

and initially all i asked was ,

is 70m good value for money for this ship
and i got trolled so many times
but only three quoted a price

Laurena (i think) quoted 40-45m

Junchul
07-10-2012

yeah and we all know how ur so well on observations. logic does not go well on its own without common sense.

Nicola
07-10-2012

no initally ur Q was are ship builders worth it? because at the end of it all u question the sbs credibility because theres a lot of things u obviously dont understand about the process. like buying ship parts is 'lazy'. and now u really want to deny that ur inquiries are always about the ship? stupid is what stupid does =))

Laurena
07-10-2012

Etta, if thats really your name, do not presume to mis-quote me again. I said in my very first post, if you bothered to read it, that 70 mil was a bit high, but below 45 mil was an insult. So why do you turn that into "Laurena said 40-45 mil" That is NOT what i said.

Personally, if its a friend or company member, i would do it at cost. If someone asked me for a ship, and they are nice to me and gather their own parts, I would charge 45 million. People like you will get the 70 million price, and the ones i sell in seville will be in between those, depending on the current market rates.

Laurena
07-10-2012

By the way, does anyone know the current development of manila? I always welcome the chance to debate my opinion in game, so message me if anyone wants to chat

Etta
07-10-2012

sorry Laurena for mis-quoting you

Laurena
07-10-2012

Its ok Etta. I try and base my prices on how much work i personally have to do. If a player just wants an improvement, has the parts, and asks, its free.

After my first post I was insulted by another player because i do not pay 10 dollars a month for shared storage, and accused of price gouging when i just hit r19 a couple days ago. I was attacked when i just stated an opinion. If someone dis-agrees with me, then its ok, but anyone that scrolls up and reads those posts that are listed after mine will see that i was called everything under the sun, from a liar, a cheat, and a pirate.

Ive seen hard map finds listed at 50 - 70 million, alchemy boots and swords for 40 million, and plunder items START at 50 million and get much much much higher. But the players that are getting them have the skill and rank to get them, so i feel they deserve those prices. After all, i can earn that money in less than a day, and i get a really neat item. They invested their time into raising those skills, so they get a return on that based on the current market, and the level of the skill that was needed.

So i looked at the manila galleon and saw the skill needed and the distance you would need to travel ( i do not assume someone has shared storage when i judge the price on the alchemy items, map finds, or plunder items they are selling me, so its wrong to base the price of ships doing the same). I then used how fast i make money in game as a refrence, and listed what i think is a fair price.

If someone does not agree then its perfectly understandable, and they should be free to say so. But i was insulted and attacked for voicing my own opinion, which is just as free as anyones.

Etta, i was a bit upset when i was mis-quoted because of those repeated attacks, but thanks for the apology and no hard feelings on my side

Chester
07-10-2012

Can u guys stop comment on "Manila Galleon" for 1 day ?
Actually i am sick of reading those comment , almost all of it is manila galleon :(

Steward
07-11-2012

u can choose not 2 read u know

ShitaiA
07-11-2012

for those who are saying SBer are greety, lazy etc... they can choose not to buy our service too.
It is a free market. You ask for a service, if you can bargin, take it or leave it. Those trolling around saying ppl are charging too much in the public, can make 16 ships a day and make tons of money, can make ship parts for you and sell for low price with the ship, and then say that we are greedy/lazy. I tell you, you are living in your own ideal world. You dont know nothing about SB, no nothing about demand and supply, know nothing about our work, and dont know how to respect the others and their job.
As a R20 SBer, I can confirm that Laurena's is right. It is not that easy to make very much money in a normal SB per day. 40m 50m is a max. Unless you sell your real money for improvement but it is just another annoying fact that ppl will complain about your price of tickets are too high, the improvements/success rates were bad, blah blah blah. Thats why I really hate to sell tickets too. You have to spend lots of time explain how SB works, spend hrs for their ships and even spend your NC to please the ppl. But then there are always someone what complaining about this and that.
Most of the ppl who grind sb in game are not many for money. Mostly want to be helpful, but there are ppl dont know nothing about SB can just trolling out and said we are asking too much for the service. Lets put it in this way. Taking 3 months+ of grinding SB, wasting 200- 300m, sitting at the port for watching the clock count down, rising the sb, watching your money getting sunk, is that fun? Then need to work for week(s) for sitting outside the dock to earn the money back. That is fun? While we are grinding SB in the hell, you are sailing around with friends for adventure, for spices, gems, battles, dungeons.
If we SBer are really greedy for money. We spend these 3+ months in spices/gems runs, dungeons etc. Which would be earning lots of bils already. And then are we suppose to spend another 2 or 3 months to rise casting, handi, sewing, etc to make the ship parts and provide them at cost huh?
If you think SBer are asking too much. You should just go and spend your 3 months in grinding SB and make your own ships. Or good luck finding a friend to make you a cheap 1.

Miyo
07-11-2012

'did he invest 100's of millions developing Manila to get the recipe available?'
do you know how development investments even work? you have too much opinion but you know so little about the game.
even if manila is deved to make the manila galleon available, who do u think has access to this recipe, a non essential alchemist or the ship builders?
and yeah i said non essential and i meant it. if alchemist stopped their craft there wouldn`t be as much panic as when ship builders stop their craft. and that`s why the can charge for more work than you can, they`re in demand and their parts really take hard work, time and efforts. the grinds of other production skills are miniscule compared to the grind of ship building. i suggest you stop talking period.

Miyo
07-11-2012

aaaaaa too much letters! too much letters! my eyes! brain...can't.... digest

@Miyo
07-11-2012

do you think its only SB's who have invested in Manilla

Chester
07-11-2012

ShitaiA wins flawless victory.

Junchul
07-11-2012

oh yea. lets conquer ths page with manila galleon. pinoy love it

Kicker
07-11-2012

@Miyo
2012-07-11
do you think its only SB's who have invested in Manilla


point it out to me where it's said that only ship builders invested in manila

Hernan
07-11-2012

I took up shipbuilding initially because it was so frustrating as a player trying to find a lot of ships I wanted as I progressed through the game. I thought I could help myself and others in the process.
It is an incredibly UN-enjoyable experience over a few months of never really getting to enjoy my time on the game as you level up. It is also a great expense as you lose a lot of ducats to do so.
As a ship builder you don't make a lot of money nor did I go into expecting to, I just want to provide an essential service for fellow players and myself to improve the experience on the game.
Offering your services on the game you are greeted with a lot of very rude people who don't understand how ship building works and that you can't just instantly pass them a ship. Sadly these people far outweigh the appreciative ones.
You find a lot of people who actually expect you to buy the nc permits and also do the upgrades for them. But I've continued on building ships for people, fleeting for upgrades and refits all while making a small fraction of what I could in other aspects of the game.
I did this because I remember my initial frustration of not being able to get ships I wanted and I wanted to help people with the most crucial item in the game so that they can enjoy the game more.
This page here though is my last straw. The amount of disrespect in here is enough. This is one more rank 19 shipbuilder that will no longer be offering his services to the public

Lena
07-11-2012

well done etta! go "alchemize" us a ship u piece of shit

Maria
07-11-2012

she asked if it was good value
have you ever tried getting hold of a r19/20 SB in game to get a quote for a ship its easier to ask here as you get a reply

i am Etta
07-11-2012

after many many long one way conversations with my SB friends(now ex-friends) i concede that i obviously do not know jack about the SB trade and how it works and how it is managed.

i appologize to all SB's for my rants and for any insults that i made, i was wrong and my rants were that of a spoilt child at best.i will not speak out out of place again.
this is my first and last post,
since my appology to Laurena for the mis-quote.

Emma
07-11-2012

wow, ya'll still carrying on? One word: letitgo!

Ming Mei
07-11-2012

I sell this ship for 3 billion , pm me ign : ming mei

Montador
07-11-2012

Investment at 41,616. SEA is going to be safe soon so people can come and safely invest.

Montador
07-11-2012

42,039 after I invested another 100 million. Approximately 400 dev per 100 million. This is expensive. Here goes another 100m.....

Chester
07-11-2012

2.5b to go...

Montador
07-12-2012

I can do another 300 million (in 100 m increments) and then I'm broke. But that'll give me an investment court rank so I'm cool with that.

JamesSmooth
07-12-2012

in RL its common and fair for retail prices to be as much as 2-4 times the cost to make, for instance my work today payed me 1/5th what was charged the customer... this was labor only. Fair or not in this game people are going to place ducat value on their time as well. I would like to thank all the fair minded SBs for their time and services that they bring to the UWO community.

Theo
07-12-2012

here have some fries with that whine. 70 million is not a lot. especially for a ship that has such a capacity. ppeople complaining are probably just noobs who has 20 mill in their banks and have no idea how to make money in the game fast. that shouldnt be our fault or problem right? and idk if anyone noticed that this is a sailing game and that ships will always be in need compared to alchemist items, and its also the hardest skill to rank up in the game (shipbuilding). so yeah. people who say that its unecessary to put a price on the time sb spent on building up their ranks are just people who knows, or should know, other people wouldnt want to pay money on their ranks.

sailingaway
07-12-2012

so i just checked the cost to build TLG
it's 3.36mil without adjusting the cargo, and 4mil after adjusting to max cargo
and those ships sells well for
R19 = 9-10mil (935 cargo with penalties)
R20 = 15mil (942 cargo with penalties)
and remember, TLG can be build using normal SB, means you don't need to build/buy parts, just come to capital and build it directly from shipyard

while this ship, need less sailor, has more cargo (963 normal, 999 with penalties) and can have 1 skill without ship permit (via first build through FS) but need parts to make, which all cost around 27-32mil (you dont want to build those part yourself, because it will take more than half day sailing through 3 different cities in carrib, SEA, and india gathering mats and later build the parts which need high rank of casting/handi/sewing too)

so what's the matter if SB sell it for 70mil while the cost to build is around 27-32mil for 5 different parts PLUS sailing to manila, afk build, and back to sell it for you?
this ship is far more superior than TLG but a lot harder to make
while you don't mind buying TLG for 10-15mil (even if the build cost is only 4mil) i thought it's a bit hypocrite if you don't want to pay 70mil to appreciate the SB's hardwork

Montador
07-12-2012

42,823 now

Lewis
07-13-2012

70 mil is a fair price. but if your only building 1 to order,
wouldnt you sail back to EU during the 27min build time and go afk

Erda
07-13-2012

and not** go afk

Montador
07-13-2012

43,000 development. No one has been investing. It's safe waters... let's go!

Jazzmin
07-16-2012

I'm bankrupt after reaching level 58 trade by buying spice in Marseille.

Natascha
07-16-2012

lol jazz you should'a gone to SEA i here its real cheap there and safe waters too..

Theo
07-19-2012

it available now?

Francine
07-26-2012

i am lazy but please check the dev for us! thanks :D

Montador
07-26-2012

I have no money for investing so I don't bother to go to Manila these days.

Erda
07-27-2012

pinoy ship?

Lisa
07-28-2012

its a Galleon (Pinoy Version).

Alexsander
07-30-2012

Who can tell that Galleon can be built on the Gamma server? Develop the city as necessary for the construction of merchant ships, and lope should create one investment?

Alexsander
07-30-2012

Who can tell that Galleon can be built on the Gamma server? Develop the city as necessary for the construction of merchant ships, and lope should create one investment?

frank
07-30-2012

Philippines Company required to invest in Manila our home.

Putin
07-30-2012

sir yes sir :3

Rashid
07-30-2012

GMs clarified it alexsander and we have the jap wiki to research on

Montador
07-30-2012

Now available. Go get it.

Igor
07-30-2012

this is about to become the flag ship of the french fleets, may as well just rename it

Claudia
07-30-2012

other nation also have alt.. dutch,england,spain,venetian,portugal,french they all have someone who use alt to use trading... dont just blame french have alt just because they got alot of city and great in investing right now

Spy.
07-30-2012

Hey Igor, can you please tell us what we did wrong>?
Is it wrong to invest in ports?
Is it wrong to play the game to our fullest?
People are just messed up nowadays, if you hate us then, whatever, not like we care at all, but what we do care, is you people talking nonsense of your opinions.
You're just making a fool of yourself :)

Beatrice
07-30-2012

Coolstorybro.

Spy.
07-30-2012

Tnx, although you left "Tell me again" oh well~
Let's go back to the main topic
WHOORAY! wait i can't sail it wahaha x)

Nina
07-30-2012

we sure needed more drama here.

btw, thanks everyone who invested ;)

Vanele
07-30-2012

is it true that it is available now?

Laurena
07-30-2012

It is now available, i just made my first 2 Manila Galleons. At r19 after refit there is 990 cargo base if you reduce crew and guns to a minimum.

If you choose a workshop, it adds 6-14 more cargo because of the parts involved, which means it now has 996 cargo on a critical fail, 1000 cargo exactly on a regular success, and 1004 on a critical success

Laurena
07-30-2012

Sorry i forgot to add, those values are based on having absolute max total volume, which adds -20 to both sails and -4 WR

AquaNerd
07-30-2012

Hi Laurena. This ship can go 6/6 improvement? And can you tell me how much is the total building cost of this ship?

Laurena
07-31-2012

The actual cost for me, after buying the parts i needed and including those in the total cost, was 22 million. I assume if you make your own parts you can save a little money, but you would need to sail all over and get the parts, and if you want to add a warehouse its kind of annoying.

I am not sure what the improvement cap currently is at, i know the LMS is capped at 3/5, the BTC is 2/4. Is this capped? or can it go all the way? i really do not know, ill test it soon and let you know what i discover, unless someone beats me to it.

Montador
07-31-2012

The cap is 4/5. You can get up to 999+44 cargo max.

Montador
07-31-2012

My last post was incorrect. The Manila Galleon can do to at least 5/5 (maybe more) and the max cargo is 999+41 = 1040.

AquaNerd
08-01-2012

Wow. Thanks Laurena and Montador for the answers.

Lisa
08-06-2012

There is no cap mine is 6/6

Lewis
08-25-2012

yeah confirmed is 6/6 now :)

Lisa
09-25-2012

confirmed 6/6, but why it needs r22 SB to improve it?

Nicola
09-25-2012

@Lisa
Remember we can upgrade ships with a 5 rank offset.. so even if is r25 required, the ship can be improved with a r20 SB.

Meng Meng
11-01-2012

almost perfect...just needed galley as optional :/

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Lisa
01-20-2013

at r20, will this ship go to 1k+ cargo without -20 to sails and -4 to wave?

Hernan
01-20-2013

this ship is not meant to be your flagship. i seriously dont know why some pople try to make it sail instead of just letting it follow some faster ship.

just put penal on it and max cargo it, forget sails...

Maria
01-20-2013

While I understand what you are trying to say, it doesn't answer the question as posted.

ReaD
01-20-2013

Range 1075 - 50 - 26 = 999 (with penalty)
Effective Range 1039 - 50 - 26 = 963(without penalty)
those above are for r20 sb

so no..

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Mihail
02-03-2013

- It\'s a common story all over Europe. Your Breton imegas, especially the lighthouses have been excellent. I think that this picture would have improved if the untidy foreground had been cropped out but it\'s all a matter of taste!

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Donce
02-26-2013

What would be the price of such modded Manila Galleon with full cargo?

I want to buy one for myself too, but without modifications, just with maximum cargo. Just wondering what the price will be :)

SKmk4
03-03-2013

you need somewhere 2 mil invested to make this ship

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Nicola
03-06-2013

price check on this ship?

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Miyo
08-26-2013

Where is this ship built?

Maria
08-26-2013

Ushuaia.

Cornelia
08-26-2013

it's Manila not Ushuaia ¬¬

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wander123
04-27-2017

how mush cost this ship ?

Malachi
06-10-2019

This ship has been superseded by the Clermont as a drag ship for aides/alts but is still potentially useful as a production ship. They are a pain to build because they are only available in Manila. But they could be built for about 10 million if the SB is your friend