Sonia
06-11-2013

AFAIK NM has no plans to alter ESBT and/or dungeon usage - at least for the time being anyway. They did try to implement a restriction on running dungeons and usage on ESBT in a update that was to be released during the 2012/2013 holiday season. Apparently, however, enough players complained about having their dungeon running being capped to a few times a day, that they just shelved the idea.

Ming Mei
06-12-2013

thies are no longer tradeable

Kicker
06-12-2013

@ Ming Mei

Wrong ,they are still tradable

Theo
06-12-2013

aww cant you help play with them at least a little

Miyo
07-27-2013

Yup esbt still tradeable. So common now that ppl
In school chat advise new players to visit syra dungeon to grab some
and then sell them in Seville.

Laurencio
07-27-2013

ESBTs (aka "The Golden Ticket")

Enver
04-01-2014

OK, just for those who don't know yet, the prices on EA goods have dropped by around 40% on average. This means the most you you can get in trade goods from say FSD or Songsunri mid is about 3.5-4m worth of goods. It costs 5 ESBT to do a mid run on those dungeons. So, asking 1m per for ESBT is, bottom line, insane. Because at that price running FSD or Songsunri mid would get a net LOSS of 1-1.5m per run. The most that should be asked for ESBT in 700k, and actually bazaaring them for 500k per would be a fast sell, and the re-sellers would be crazy to buy them even at that price.

Sylvia
04-01-2014

On the other hand, during exp boost events (and even without them, I can't help noticing), players still sell EA trade goods for marked up prices to other players, thus making ESBTs worth their old price value -- at least to them. Still, if you don't like the price people ask for their ESBTs, you're always free to collect them yourself, which is what I do whenever I need a nice infusion of ducats to fund my fancy-free lifestyle.

Lena
04-01-2014

People know EA goods have been nerfed, they sell cheaply in seville all the time, but that doesn't stop people from buying ESBTs for 1mil I personally saw at least 3 persons in london buying them for 1mil, so I guess there's some profit somewhere. I guess if prices for ESBTs stay the same people not might do dungeons as much, or if the drop people might not sell them as much, either way, if people stop doing dungeons less, i'm all for it.

Nicola
04-01-2014

Also I wanna say people sell EA goods to other players at high rates depending on what does goods are like saori that sells in bazaars for 75k or awkeotsang for around the same, but i'm not sure if there are goods you can get form dungeons, maybe like rattan armour or rattan work that sells for 45-55k in bazaars, and people do get them sold, so i guess that's where to profits lies, and also don't forget the rich (maybe lazy) people who need quick trade levels and those who want to level their alts who buy the EA goods at 40-55k. just a thought though

Nicola
04-01-2014

That's not starting to hold up. Ever since the price nerf on EA goods Ive been seeing a lot more players then usual trying to bazaar their EA goods rather then selling them directly at the market keep. Very rarely a day goes by where I dont see any less then 10 players at Seville and London market keep with bazaar open with EA goods. I imagine with more players bazaaring EA goods it's becoming more difficult to sell them now this way thus making dungeons a more lucrative way to earn trade exp (and money) and thus ESBTs should not be anymore then 700k.

Jafar
04-01-2014

it's not right to ask the sellers to sell for anything less than 1 mil as long as anyone is willing to buy them. The fact that people DO still buy them at 1 mil each means they are making money somehow someway.

Alvaro808
04-24-2014

My few cents on ESBT's.....



The (still ongoing) debate over the ESBT's reflects a larger debate within the community about how players should be playing Uncharted Waters Online.

Of course, KOEI develops this game and OGPlanet runs this game, so it's really up to both groups to decide how players should be playing this game. Recently, I've noticed that OGPlanet in particular (and unlike Netmarble) seems to be taking a more active interest in UWO and our community. The new contents in the astro shop, for example, may end up re-orienting UWO towards a more "pay-2-win" model, especially for new players who don't want to spend days/weeks/months (or even years) grinding their way to new places.

In any case, while I personally don't care how players choose to play Uncharted Waters Online, it seems that there's enough people on GAMA server who feel that ESBTS should be removed, or at least severely restricted. The problem I have with these complaints, however, is how this will affect newer players who are struggling to catch-up to players who have been playing for years and have amassed billions of ducats (and who can therefore afford to buy stuff in the player bazaar and company shops). Perhaps OGPlanet may rectify this problem by encouraging new players to spend real cash on "catch-up" consumable items in the astro shop. But as long as players continue to sell everything and anything in this game at relatively high prices, this is going to force the newer guys who want to buy good (and at times necessary) items in the bazaar to either farm syracuse dungeon for ESBTs, go to the astro shop, or face long and eventually tiring periods of grinding skills and levels.

In short, ESBTs pose a dilemma for the server - or at least for Koei/OGPlanet - because while removing or limiting them MAY (and this is really iffy in my opinion) re-balance the game economy, keeping them allows newer players to compete at a more-or-less equal level with guys who have been playing UWO since 2010. And while there are many players who favor a UWO community that's solely committed to sailing and trading rather than dungeon-ing, not every player shares this sentiment. Based on the recent updates to the game, I'm guessing that OGPlanet is trying to reach out to the widest number of players who are even remotely interested in this game.


.....Anyways, just my few cents on this subject. =D

GeneralOnX
04-24-2014

Stop getting your knickers in a twist. The ESBT will stay until Gran Atlas, when ESBT will become worthless. Stop ranting about it and GET BACK TO WORK!

Wen zhi
04-24-2014

...... oh god , i believe i have met you Alvaro , and u seems nice , but please bring it on forum next time :)

Guilder
04-25-2014

For those curious, Bartandelus was kind enough to post info on the the OGP forum concerning a future expansion called Gran Atlas (last I checked, no word on when GA's coming out, but we can expect sometime after 2nd Age's updates are finished). The General was referring to this item:

"When a dungeon is accessed by using an ESBT, the dungeon will drop less trade goods. The amount reduced it based on how far the dungeon is from the city you are using the ESBT from"

So, there you have it. I'd suggest checking the entire post, as it's got quite a lot more info. Thanks for presenting your view in such a balanced and polite manner just the same, Alvaro. It's a refreshing change of pace. Safe journeys to you, and cheers.

GeneralOnX
04-25-2014

Exactly Guilder. :) The update for Gran Atlas will not be, in my guess, until 2015-16 because GAMA gets their patches from Korea, in which their server doesn't have GA on yet, and we still need to add all of the other chapters in a respectful manner. I just wish for this idea of removing ESBT to stop, because it will never happen.

-GeneralOnoX

Laurencio
04-25-2014

personally i dont think ESBT is bad , its just the people over-use it in anything , but if we remove the ESBT , how many people will be playing ? we're not talking about thousands , we are talking about major problem here , maybe adver and traders will stay , but then what is the point of just getting rich ? when u get rich and most of new maritimer quit because they dont have the money source to continue thier way to fame , they're too lazy to trade , u wont have any challenger , eventually u'll get bored and quit.
Then we left with a bunch of kids , adving (no offense , im an adver too) no more trade or maritime

Guilder
04-25-2014

Speaking as an adventurer who loathes trading, and only mildly enjoys battling -- more than that, as a person who hates MMOs and avoids them like the plague -- ESBTs not only help newer players get started, but also make this incredibly niche, not to mention confusing and sometimes complicated game, seem much more approachable. I supported myself largely by selling tickets, and was able to buy gear for adventuring, as well as later being able to help my friends when they started playing at my suggestion. People can decry them all they want, but I feel they are one of the few things helping to keep UWO afloat.

Anyway, since this isn't a forum, I choose to say no more, other than this: UWO is meant to be a wide open sandbox for people to play as they see fit. I won't look down on maritimers and traders for doing what they love; consider doing likewise for folks that choose to use ESBTs. Cheers, all, and have a wonderful time playing, however you opt to do so.

Althelia
04-25-2014

@Guilder: I honestly think that if you dislike the use or sale of ESBTs, then don't use them. Give them away or something. When I prefer sailing between places, so I tend to sell my ESBTs for some hefty profit. When they're nerfed, however, the price will undoubtedly go down, so I might end up giving them away for free. But until then, I'm selling them. People need to stop being pedantic and complaining incessantly.

Also, major kudos for that "afloat" pun you had there.

-Althelia, Director of the Crazy Seamen

Snipe
08-24-2014

After 2nd age chapter 4 these, along with all other consumables, can be sold in bazaar for up too 1m. Makes selling ESBT much easier.

H.-Gazi
11-25-2014

*****Summary information*****

It can be received at the final floors from each level (upper, medium and lower), after the boss battle.

When doing it with fleet, there is a little chance that more than one player receive the ticket.

The number of ESBT it takes to do a dung from Major Cities docks is varies for each dung (see below):

> Syracuse Church (1 ESBT)
> Bordeaux Church (1 ESBT)
> Giza Pyramid (1 ESBT)*
> Karnak & Luxor Temple (2 ESBT)*
> Abu Simbel Temple (3 ESBT)
> Lima Church (5 ESBT)
> Palenque (5 ESBT)
> Songsunri ruins (5 ESBT)*
> Azuchi Castle (5 ESBT)*
> Fort Sant Domingo(FSD) (5 ESBT)*
> Giant Leshan Budha (5 ESBT)*

* = Has lower floors too and that takes twice more ESBT than indicated above.

The price per ESBT is between 750k-1000k and if you're lucky you can get them even for 500k each.

Further hints about ESBT:
> Keep always at least one ESBT in your inventory to be assured that you receive a ESBT from the final floor. When doing it with fleet, then EACH PLAYER has to do this!
> While I didn't experienced burned ESBT from chests inside dungeons, but incase it occurs to others then it's strongly recommend to store most of them in bank, captain bag or strongbox etc.
> Unless you've a great reason or items/goods you're looking for in the upper floors, it's not recommend to use ESBT for that.

Kind Regards,

Huseyin-Gazi :-)

UWOGVO
11-26-2014

I used to make and run a BOT in Syracuse dungeon to farm ESBT when GameGuard wasnt such harsh.

H.-Gazi
03-02-2015

After some investigation during the Gran Atlas, I can conclude the following things about ESBT:

1) The nerf of receiving trade goods from Treasure chests is up to 50%.
2) Receiving items such as Purchase Orders, Land battle items, CEDT etc. are included for this nerf.
3) It has NO INFLUENCE for the droprates of certain equipments, items and goods. Besides rare drops can still be received even by this method.
4) The prices has dropped from 800k to 400k ~ 500k per ESBT approx. In ratio you will make the same profit like before, however it will take twice as long to do this.

BIakeC
03-03-2015

I wouldn't mind the nerfing of trade goods as much if they didn't apply the same for especially PO's. Their hard enough to get as it is!

Curious
03-03-2015

Except for PO2's... at least for now.

Mini-me
03-03-2015

Why are there still bazaars with ESBT for 700k+ per, and more importantly, WHY are there players buying them at those ridiculously overinflated prices?!

Guilder
03-03-2015

Give it time. Not everybody's heard about the recent dungeon drop nerf, and not all sellers will want to change their prices at the drop of a hat.

BIakeC
03-03-2015

Prices take time to go down. It doesn't happen overnight. IMO though they shouldn't be anymore then 400-300k, much less 700k.

DiNozzo
03-03-2015

In spite of nerf, E.A. dungeons are still the fastest way for most players to make money.
As lvl cap was lifted, many players have rushed to grinding trade lvl again.
So, demand for ESBT has not decreased much.