Mei Hua
06-24-2012

Where/how can you get these? Other than Seville bazaars ;)

Mei Hua
06-24-2012

by completing dungeon levels

Claudia
06-24-2012

another town bazzars

Maria
06-24-2012

I don't see Another Town on the map. Is it in Europe?

Erda
06-24-2012

yes you have to unlock it first. the quest chain is quite long tho

Naoyasu
11-05-2012

FU THIS !!!

Lisa
11-05-2012

is the price of this item dropping now? I saw quite a few people nuking the Seville market with hundreds of them at 800k. I bought nearly 500 of them and I don't think i could digest them thoroughly anytime soon.

ArnArn
11-05-2012

I doubt it will drop anytime soon. EA dungeon is the reason why the prices for this ESBT sky rocketed. Used to be around 400k before. :-)

Maria
11-05-2012

800k is about right actually. Dungeon runners want to at least double their money and ESBT's at 800k is right in that zone.

Francine
11-05-2012

dont support dungeoneers.. i sold 120 of them for 1 mil each.. make them pay for ruining the game..

Naoyasu
11-06-2012

sell it 1m let the dungeoneers pay .... we get the profit and they dont so they can quit dungeon and go back spice trading more people in sea more fun Then all inside dock and play dungeon for money boring.......

Lewis
11-06-2012

hahaha! 1M is pretty cheap... from FortSan Domingo Middle, I make 20 mils 5 tickets are 5 mils... so... you can make the math, right?

Cornelia
11-06-2012

so we sell it 3m each kinda good :P

Junchul
11-06-2012

2m each should be ok ! stop selling at 800k noobs THEY WILL BUY AT 2M

Holfina
11-06-2012

you dont make 20m from 5 tickets. 10-15 tops

Lancelot
11-06-2012

even 10-15 is a little on the high side. generally its in the 8 to 10 million range per run of fort middle

Jafar
11-06-2012

Sadly most of these noobs have never run fort middle #1 you need STRONG land battle attack to clear this solo. You cant just walk in there with noob gear like the farmers do in Syracuse. #2 you make on average 10-12m per pass. sometimes only 7m-8 depending on what the chests give. #3 no one will buy at anything more then 1m, unless they are completely stupid. We work our asses off and have r20 sp / r10+ sm, and hundreds of millions in ducets invested in gear/mtt's/silvers to repair our gear.

Try running fort in your ESBT grinder gear and see how well you do.. Personally it makes me sick that low level noobs can run syra all day and become rich, and think they can charge 2m+ for esbts and have never been to this dungeon. No i don't buy ESBT i farm them myself, I work for my money and don't promote low level players getting rich easy...

Lild, 43/65/60 12k dungeon explore rate, highest i've seen on server.

Chester
11-06-2012

c'mon guys ESBT is easy to get. So this should worth around 700k-1m

Ming Mei
11-06-2012

even you buy this at 2m each you should have profit more or less 5m in EA dungeon. but don't worry the price will drop when players get bored of dungeon.

Hernan
11-06-2012

even you buy this at 2m each you should have profit more or less 5m in EA dungeon. but don't worry the price will drop when players get bored of dungeon.

Sonia
11-06-2012

even you buy this at 2m each you should have profit more or less 5m in EA dungeon. but don't worry the price will drop when players get bored of dungeon.

Nicola
11-06-2012

I will never pay 2 mil for these, if price goes over 1 mil i'll farm them myself and have a company mate pass them off to my main. I don't mind paying the little guys for taking the time to farm up a few, but if you start making it worth my time to get them myself that's exactly what i'm going to do.

Miyo
11-06-2012

FSD middle is 8-12 mil depending on drops, lower is 17-20 mil but requires twice the tickets. I think middle is more effective for grinding ducats, I'm just currently running lower to finish out the memorial album (that spear looks fierce).

Xiao Wei
11-06-2012

u can get 25-30m per run easy if u sell goods in the right region at 100%+ and 3x haggle (20% profit) u nabs sell in seville or london where the market is collapsed 24/7 =)) thats why u get only 10-15m per run

Cornelia
11-06-2012

who would buy 2m of this anyway even if i said that there is profit even you buy this of 2m each. i didnt buy even 1m each

Naoyasu
11-06-2012

why would i sail around and spend 3x the time trying to sell at 100% when I can make 3 runs and sell at reduced rates? People waste sooo much time trying to be "efficient" when they don't even know the meaning of the word.

Nina
11-06-2012

LoooL ... "12k dungeon explore rate, highest i've seen on server." ... i have nothing against Dungeons ... but this is crazy and u don't play uncharted waters but uncharted dungeons online indeed.

Shirin
11-06-2012

the real question is why the hell do you care? if somebody enjoys dungeoning let them, it shouldn't bother you any more then somebody who enjoys doing the coliseum or somebody who enjoys trading. so many pathetic whinny people on this game

sadly from what i have seen on the official forums the majority of the complainers are pirates who have there own selfish reasons and traders who already cheat and play two accounts at once

three of the biggest complainers are wongfeifong (multi with tadetodie) buffet (multi with je86) and hughesdepaynes (multi with Cerrisa). the majority of the rest of them are pirates. so i would say consider the source

Nina
11-06-2012

I don't complain nor do i care ... i do dungeons myself from time to time ... but if i wanted to do dungeons 24/7 to have 1000+++k exploration rate i would play different game. LOL ...

Northerner
11-06-2012

Shirin: "the real question is why the hell do you care? if somebody enjoys dungeoning let them"

Damn right! Your reasoning is right on, too. The other thing is, many of these pirates (the ones that don't buy a ton of NC, anyway) could never afford their ships and gear without the dungeons. The ones who do spend a ton on NC, and sell those items to fund their piracy, they're taking a lazier shortcut to riches than the dungeon crawlers. It adds a whole 'nother level of hypocrisy to their complaining.

I think the game and the game's economy have room for people who want to play it any way they choose. The economy is screwed by design, but that started long before the EA patch.

Jean
11-06-2012

Delete this, this is a sea game i just see people at docks running at dungwon

Shirin
11-06-2012

add thanks for perfectly summing up my point of consider the source

. guys like you are a plague on this game, im sure you are some interent tough guy pirate who bullied the noobs in this game non stop and forced uwo's hands into new pirate rules

Wen zhi
11-06-2012

Could a moderator delete this flame war please? I appreciate the real info on this site and these arguments are annoying.

Rashid
11-06-2012

its not just a sea game though. thats just a catch phrase you lot can just throw up anytime you lack a valid point. a huge part of this game for many occurs on land. more people enjoy the adventure aspect of it then any other part i would suspect. dungeons is just a part of the game. you dont like them dont do it but stfu about it already. people play as they see fit and dont feel the need to dictate to others how they should enjoy their game time

Northerner
11-06-2012

Oh the crying. If other people's way of playing is enough to make someone quit, nothing of value is lost. Those of us running the dungeons aren't harming anyone, and the high demand for both trade good and item drops is proof that a lot of people playing other ways aren't above taking advantage of our digging. The only difference is, more people (of all levels, if you include the ticket farmers) are making more money, without having to dump thousands of actual dollars on treasure boxes. Cry me a river.

I'd rather run the dungeons and have a bit of action than sit staring at an empty blue sea all day. If that isn't your thing, don't do it, but whining because others enjoy it is pretty pathetic.

Dongwoo
11-06-2012

Pirates who abused the system are the ones who ruined the game. The dungeons only have 1 redeeming quality and that's just making money. Ask every dungeon goers (except for syracuse) if they even enjoy going in dungeons. No they don't. It's mind numbing. It's dumb. But it's far better than having to deal with pirates that boost their egos from sinking none maritime prepped ships. And just the very mention of how pathetic it is that they feel superior over every player they sink that is not even battle ready, gets them all tight and bothered and rants in world chat. Don't preach at us that "we" are breaking the game. You're the idiots who forced a lot of the people to make money in the dungeons in the first place.

Claudia
11-06-2012

i disagree to me trading is mind numbing, endless port hops to fill cargo, two hours sailing back and forth. having to dodge some egomaniac who is camping one of the few good trade ports. this is your idea of fun?
i enjoy dungeons, i do a couple runs everyday to mix things up during my adventuring, i rarely trade and occasionally work on battle. i love the game how it is and do not care nor worry about how others enjoy their time on the game

Hernan
11-06-2012

"and do not care nor worry about how others enjoy their time on the game"

Everyone who defends the remaining of ESBT think like that. They just dont care about the others, really.

Nina
11-06-2012

@Hernan its ok do you think the pirates care for others

Lancelot
11-06-2012

or perhaps you only care about yourself and what suits your needs and the way you play the game.

never seen such a bunch of crybabies in all my life

Dongwoo
11-06-2012

even how much you complain about esbt it part of the game. it help those adventurers who put their effort to those dungeon that require high rank adv skills. @hernan what about you do you care about others too? do you care about adventures who put hard time to rank there adv skills in order to unlock those dungeons?

Laurencio
11-06-2012

YOu only need 1 adventurer ALT (like the dungeoneers that have recog/theo/eco (not hard to grind + the Eqp boost) can already do all the hard dungeon quest with boost nc only r 3-6? required in base then yocan do all the dungeon you like and ask all your friend to come so they can take the quest .. so its not just the adventures the one without adventure also can take the quest just take from those adventurer. they dont have to grind any adventurer skill isnt that pathetic they just get the free money for that dungeon without grind any adventure skills..

Mei Hua
11-06-2012

most dungeoners dont have adv skills, they need to leech the skills only 1 time... and most of the time, people is in battle job in dungeons, but are the first to reach max trade. Real adventurer is in the field...

Beatrice
11-06-2012

this thing destroy the game delete this item and let them go at the landing point of the dungeon to do it ..... This just destroy alot market.. alot traders that just come back from EA/SEA cant sell their stuff cause alot crash market . its very unfair. and the Sea doesnt have alot action lately because of this . people just buy this 700k-1m each and go To EA dungeon and get 20m 1 round?. they dont even have to sail anymore just like alot people say its not Uncharted waters anymore its uncharted dungeon...

Beatrice
11-06-2012

this thing destroy the game delete this item and let them go at the landing point of the dungeon to do it ..... This just destroy alot market.. alot traders that just come back from EA/SEA cant sell their stuff cause alot crash market . its very unfair. and the Sea doesnt have alot action lately because of this . people just buy this 700k-1m each and go To EA dungeon and get 20m 1 round?. they dont even have to sail anymore just like alot people say its not Uncharted waters anymore its uncharted dungeon...

Mei Hua
11-06-2012

most dungeoners dont have adv skills, they need to leech the skills only 1 time... and most of the time, people is in battle job in dungeons, but are the first to reach max trade. Real adventurer is in the field...

Nina
11-06-2012

of course that isn't true, its nice that you have resorted lies and making up stories to paint the picture you want.
most people enjoy many aspects of the game. shame you can't as you are so fixated on the parts you don't like

Theo
11-06-2012

let those dungeoners doing dungeon because thats what they want to do in time they get bored about it and start doing sea runs again..

Mei Hua
11-06-2012

most dungeoners dont have adv skills, they need to leech the skills only 1 time... and most of the time, people is in battle job in dungeons, but are the first to reach max trade. Real adventurer is in the field...

Sophia
11-06-2012

delete this item and let them go to the landing to go to the dungeon its a better challenge like that .. or make this item a rare drop item :P. at least before this thing exist people have to go to giza landing it self .. and its better that way then just stay at dock (Seville) and use it .. i admit doing EA dungeon get alot of money then doing trade SEA/EA (i do it alot of time even thought i hate it) . cause that the way to earn easy money (and that the way NC ship become more expensive)

Theo
11-06-2012

Lawrencio: "YOu only need 1 adventurer ALT (like the dungeoneers that have recog/theo/eco (not hard to grind + the Eqp boost) can already do all the hard dungeon quest with boost nc only r 3-6? required in base then yocan do all the dungeon you like..."

You're really ignorant of how adventure works in this game, aren't you? To pull the EA dungeon quests (for upper) requires 46k and 47k adventure fame. You don't get that from any NC item. The person pulling the quest can only share it was a max of 4 others. Without high rank adventurers, nobody would be doing these dungeons, myself included.

Lisa
11-06-2012

46k req? no wonder i wasted 20 qmps for no avail.

Francine
11-06-2012

@Theo +1 to you ^^ those dungeoner players helps newbies who put their time to get esbt even its hard for them in order to have a ducats for their future needs

Kicker
11-06-2012

46k fame? not hard i grind 90k fame in 2 days when x2 fame exp :P by just doing 2 quest 5 star :P and i can grind 1 day 10k fame :P so whose lame now :P

Cornelia
11-06-2012

i had 100k fame i use 150+ qmps for FSD as well as its middle quest. and more than 50 qmps for leshan.

Kicker
11-06-2012

+ the boost nc fame item (which can get from tb) + 50% more it will be more easier :P

Miyo
11-06-2012

i only use 5 qmps for FSD and 10 qmps for Leshan with 120k fame

Xiao Wei
11-06-2012

i got 400 qmps all gone with bear quest arghh ....

Enver
11-06-2012

@Miyo ur lucky ^^ @Xiao Wei poor guy XD better luck next time

Nicola
11-06-2012

@kicker you are pretty amazing, 90k adv fame in a day. must be best player to ever play the game or some silly story teller i cant quite tell

Port Official
11-06-2012

@nicola you dindt do IQ in Manila do you? the 2 adventurer quest in x2 fame with full fleet you get 1k = 1 quest

Lancelot
11-06-2012

@Kicker oh that 2 quest yeah2 .. very easy quest recog r1? r3 geo? yeah3 i did that i gained 150k total XD fame very easy + nice 5 minutes and its done for 1 quest

Jean
11-06-2012

@Port Official you use any boost fame? cause i get abit less

Spy.
11-06-2012

Lol you guys do know that there are quite a lot of non pirate players who hate esbt right?

Port official
11-06-2012

@Jean i do 50% i think

George
11-06-2012

@Spy. so true just let them do the sailing and us as the dungeonning XD

Port Official
11-06-2012

Do dungeons, no problem. But, invest money to develop ports, dont crash markets, sell POs in the 50k-100k range and dont overflood server with money so people dont think that a nc ship value is 5-15B because "do dungeons so you pay that"

Spy.
11-06-2012

Lol you guys do know that there are quite a lot of non pirate players who hate esbt right?

Lena
11-06-2012

I only use MFCV and never dungeon before .. that ship i get all from trading i think i have to do dungeon after this mayb i can get my self ironsides WOHOO

Erda
11-06-2012

and why these guy spend thousand of real money for that gamble? if no one bought treasure box, to get cash NM could sell ships directly at reasonable prices or improve odds for the ships...

Cornelia
11-06-2012

@Erda I dont think NM will do that they not stupid .. if no one buy TB and they will be no NC ship and the price will become higher ... cause alot demand .... If you dungeoneer do dungeon and alot people have alot of money then everyone want to buy a good ship and the price will up too.. (they must be someone who interested to do that gamble thing)

Steward
11-06-2012

and that someone Sure will sell it at high price since there alot of demand

Emma
11-06-2012

if no one bought treasure box the game wouldn't last for long...

i'm sure you guys will get back to complaining about people who buy nc soon enough. seems to be the second favorite bashing subject of you free loaders on here

Cornelia
11-06-2012

Dungeon is lame .. they dont even need high trading skills(except Account?) or any other main skills but they doesnt need the sills ect ; Spice trading/Wares/jewellery/ or any other skills to get the stuff like traders always do.. they get easy trade goods by just doing dungeon .. + nice weapon or item to sell them at high price .

Lena
11-06-2012

dungeons are always the same squares with boxes in the same place, eventually you clear a floor with eyes tapped (good for the eyes, dungeons hurt...)

Lisa
11-06-2012

if no one spend NC . then they will be no UWO.. sure they close already since they cant get profit at all and if they sell ship in NC shop just with price then they will be flooded with Nc ship and totaly crash the game and once everyone have they nc SHip they will start losing money again... (think about that)

Port Official
11-06-2012

@Lisa +1 for Lisa

uwopetition
11-06-2012

nah we all deserve money for nothing and chicks for free

lets start a petition if they don't give us what we want!

Steward
11-06-2012

@uwopetition what do you want? cheap Nc ship? i think they rather close this game then give it to cheap .. Once this game flooded with NC ship (they will start losing money because no one will start buying their nc ) and they will automaticly close this server and then Bye bye to all the money you guys spend :P..

Darnell
11-06-2012

Not all players uses NC like me, if i want to have a NC ship like MFCV, doing spice run will take me months to save billions of ducats. Doing dungeons will only take weeks, so tell me all dungeon haters whats wrong with that? there's no rule that everytime you play the game you have to go out at sea and sail. Like what others say, once dungeoneers have decent money they will stop and sail again.

Sonia
11-06-2012

@Darnell that the problem if all do Dungeons they get easy money they want NC ship and the NC ship price will increase badly .. at least delete this ESBT and let them go to The Landing site to make it fair at least they play at sea to not just stay at dock(then it wont be Unchated waters anymore.. Like you said once dungeoneers have decent money they will stop and sails again ( and they will lose money and go back to dungeon) and i know it wont be as much time they spent on sea then on dock/dungeon

Igor
11-06-2012

'once dungeoneers have decent money they will stop and sail again.'
of course they will not because once they have the big beautiful ships then they will need a small fortune to grind those maritime skills to be able to use the ships effectively

Chester
11-06-2012

Delete this item its destroy the game.

Li Yue
11-06-2012

they wont stop because they have decent money they stop because they already bored doing dungeon all the time.

Shirin
11-06-2012

yeah they stop for 1 day or 2 then they go back dungeon

Ming Mei
11-06-2012

this item dont destroy the game.. it the esbt haters destroy themselves..

Kicker
11-06-2012

at least they stop ^^

Nicola
11-06-2012

1 and 2 days doing nothing( and the sea is empty) .. ESBT haters destroy this game by doing what? saying delete this item? once this item delete people go to landing place it self its better .. and at least to sell they will have to use the sea and sails and at least encounter some pirates and at least be fair to pirates.. Its a game dont say that pirates shouldnt exist in game like this then it wont be a game after all

Rashid
11-06-2012

when a dungeoner stop, other will do 10 more dungeons and will have 100M more to pay more for a ship, forcing other dungeoners to go back to dungeon.. will be a never ending circle. Dungeons gives too many money too fast, even faster than multi fleets... and human is greedy...

Cornelia
11-06-2012

maybe in a month there would be few players you can see using esbt to go to dungeons they will get bored of dungeoning at homeports...

Beatrice
11-06-2012

@Cornelia that mayb is hard to happen since once they stop and(Got alot of money wanna buy ship they found out the ship they gonna buy price increased already and start dungeon with ESBT again Doesnt matter its boring or not . (if this item is delete there wont be anyone using dungeone in homeports again.. its that simple and everyone will just go to landing point

Lena
11-06-2012

I still don't think esbt are the root problem here. I think the new Chinese trade goods are just way overvalued. There's no way that rattan knick knacks should completely displace the spice trade, in any semi realistic scenario. If they must make the trade goods more valueable than spice, make it like 2-5k more per unit, not 74k each when the market is peaking.

And/or reduce the number of them dropped in the dungeons, substituting more "regular" goods, gems and such like in Luxor.

These new dungeons are insane money producers, and I think that was shortsighted on the part of the developers. ESBT have been around much longer, and never caused any great upheaval until combined with this massive dump of new, overpriced goods.

I, for one, would still enjoy running these dungeons even if they produced half the revenue they do now. Of course ESBT prices wouldn't be quite as inflated, either, but they would still be in high demand, supplying new players with income.

Holfina
11-06-2012

the root of problem here is nanban trade.. you give 50 goods to the nanban trader at EA and they give you less goods.

Io
11-06-2012

its not worth a long journey..

Sylvia
11-06-2012

Its better to delete this so they have to go dungeon In long way Means at the landing point( and then It will be the same as normal spice trading.. i dont mind the high price for trade goods in Dungeon in EA .. im sure after they delete this ESBT .. people will Go ea Dungeon And Spam Dungeon and go back home To EU to sell stuff in that way its better then just stay at dock and use ESBT do it over and over again... (and the pirate 100% will be waiting outside the port/landing point of that certain dungeon. and people wil just started doing trading sometimes so that they wont get hit by pirates ) :P

Wen zhi
11-06-2012

yes, nanban trade dont worth the time... and still POs nerfed...

Emma
11-06-2012

@Sylvia you better quit the game than complaining

Lena
11-06-2012

if dont want a long journey .. go do Casting/alchemy/sewing and sell your trade stuff . rather then just spend money on ESBT and go dungeon my friend buy 100 ESBT with just 25 ESBT he pay back the ESBT i sell see how fast and lot of money he get?

Igor
11-06-2012

if the nanban trade where good you can see many players doing nanban trade than sacrificing at dungeons..

Sylvia
11-06-2012

@Emma (another dungeoneers doesnt want this item to be delete so he/she can gained alot of money by just doing dungeon and dindt go to sea )

Emma
11-06-2012

how can you say i dont go to sea? i mostly go to tamsui to dungeon there and at least gaining few adv exp as well as gaining esbt for future use

Sylvia
11-06-2012

@Emma then its good that way rather then go DG and get money /then buy ESBT and just stay port once you have your own ESBT and use it its good dont buy it to gained it again you go to dungeon back. and use the same way.

Lancelot
11-06-2012

@Emma or you go dungeon once(to set as the last dungeon) and buy ESBT? :P only go tamsui once then you can do it again and again :P or you have alt spam ESBT for you? :P

Sylvia
11-06-2012

i know alot of people spam ESBT (With alt at Syracuse and use That ESBT to go DUngeon with Main Char) and he doesnt lose any money but keep gained it :P

Emma
11-06-2012

I only have one computer how can i make an alt of it this game is online so it has game guard that wont allow you use 2 character at once

Emma
11-06-2012

it is not private servers that you can use 2 or more acct at one computer

Sakura
11-06-2012

alot of people said and know that we can open 2 char in 1 pc

George
11-06-2012

just enjoy this game....nc player need non nc player...non nc player need nc player....we need one and others

Lisa
11-06-2012

yeh just enjoy the game dungeoners and not dungeoner its just a game.. dont put so much hate..

Cornelia
11-06-2012

yeh just like that let the traders trade, let the dungeoners running dungeon, let the pirate attacking player, let the adventurer doing quest, and let players do what they want ^^

Naoyasu
11-06-2012

Yeah we wanna let you dungeoneers, however esbt is complicating things as it is basically a teleport skill and don't give me any bs how it is expensive bla bla. If you read comments above, there should be someone saying 15m -20m profit per run. So basically we WANT esbt out to make things fair u lazy asses. I mean seriously, you can still run dungeon wihtout esbt! You just have to go there! Or have you forgotten what "sailing" is? Ah who am i kidding, of course you did. Silly me~
Overall, we generally don't hate on dungeon but on ESBT to clear that up. If esbt is out, then everything will be alright. Unless players have already become too lazy to sail toward such ports.
Anyhow, I am done, you people are too confuse and angry to understand what we want which btw is completely fair.
Remove ESBT or make it untradeble.

Io
11-06-2012

if they remove ESBT then why not remove POs while there are at it. It makes traders lazy as well. Might as well remove QMPs too.

Miyo
11-06-2012

No, ESBT is completely different from qmps & POs...
QMPs does not transport you to the given location lol, actually did it teleport you? :x Something is wierd with your gameplay then
POs does not give you insta transport to the given port...

Basically what i'm saying is POs does not exagerrate the "time travelling" too much as much as ESBT which is like 1.27x10^-23 secs

;)

And see what I mean by arrogant dungeoneers? haha ohhhh I remember when UWO had a great community..

@Misun great job for representing ur "faction" you fit the description. Fag gamers who only care for themselves and rude AF.

Mei Hua
11-06-2012

What makes you think I or anyone else who posts saying not to get rid of ESBT is a "dungoneer"? Now your just trying to classify people. Ok how about pegasus feathers, those transport people? How is the UWO community is so bad now. I mean there are the same 5-10 people complaining about ESBTs. Just because you dont like it doesn't mean the community doesn't like it. ESBTs did not take away from any other part of the game. Whoever wants to sail to do trading can still do that. ESBTs did not prevent that. There is still PVP, ESBTs did not magically prevent that. Its just an added part of the game. One doesn't have to like every part of the game. The game isn't won by who has the most money.

Jafar
11-06-2012

+1 to Miyo and Naoyasu

Lena
11-06-2012

@mei Hua Pegasus is rare can you get pegasus anywhere? can you? + you must not port anywhere to use pegasus... example to do spice trading you must not port in ambon in order to return back to Seville. or you cant use pegasus .... ESBT you can go to that dungeon over and over again even you in seville even you port anywhere or easy you port in syracuse and use alt get ESBT and then give to main go EA dungeon and do it over and over again... ESBT 1 round syra 100% drop how about pegasus can find it anywhere?

Theo
11-06-2012

you can get pegasus feathers easily at one of roman coins box

Theo
11-06-2012

at cheap price

Emma
11-06-2012

Shut Up!!

Claudia
11-06-2012

complainers:
PIRATES: they wont people sailing more so they can easily seize them listening a cool soundtrack. pooor pirates, no more fun for 'em!!
TRADERS: they wont be the richest in game, can't accept that now even broken adventurers and maritimers can be rich, pooor traders!

Conclusions: you're all pooor spoiled children that want the game made for 'em only, but it's not like this, the game now is more balanced, all can be rich, not only awesome traders and pooor pirates have it harder to spoil and annoy other players.

Port Official
11-06-2012

PIRATES(GREAT Maritimer): i think wanna quit this game no people to hunt + this lame 5 only kills and have to reset...
Traders: i think i quit crafting ccause dungeon is more fun (make cannon or ex other thing for my self) price for crafted item increase(^^)
Dungeoneer:i have alot money i buy pro ship Wohoo (oh the price just increase need more money = more dungeon(and it wont stop)

Conclusions:price for nc ship/item will increase and less people in SEA (making this game not sailing game /sea game anymore)

Shirin
11-06-2012

price for NC ship will increase? OMG nooooo!
oh, now no NC ships can be max improved, but nooo, I won't be able to put 32 delphin storm sails to have 127 WR on my aide ship, D sails are too expensive now, tragedy!!!! gotta quit UWO for that, now!

Nina
11-06-2012

ESBT is a teleport... instant one
Do not remove it - just make the same teleports for traders/adventures/maritimers.... dungeoneers are the fourth class in that game

Nina
11-06-2012

ESBT is a teleport... instant one
Do not remove it - just make the same teleports for traders/adventures/maritimers.... dungeoneers are the fourth class in that game

Lena
11-06-2012

yeah make teleport item for adventurer str8 go to the discovery place/town back .. maritimer make the teleport last place they kill fleet .. trader make teleport item str8 to ambon/ea And come back Eu it will be great

Dongwoo
11-06-2012

lets make it like the NC tow? one tow per hour? XD

Hans
11-06-2012

holy cow ya'll still carrying on over this? I will repeat for those that just don't seem to want to understand or get it: These have been out on the other two server for a loooong time now, they've had all the dungeons for a loooong time now. NM has been able to get feedback and watch the impact of ESBT's and high level dungeons for a LOOONG time now.

It just amazes me to watch the people who gripe the loudest about how UNFAIR this system is. Seems to me more than a few of the complainers are the people who drop $100's every month on T-box. So I have a quick solution for you: Stop selling the T-box items. You know the people who are buying them from you got their ducats out of those filthy dungeonholes! I CAN'T STAND HOW YOU GOT THE MONEY NOW GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

What exactly are you angry about? I see no shortage of spice in company shops, so I know the spice trading is still going on. Are you mad because you don't see sambuks sailing near the coast of west africa anymore? The little guys don't run right by Las Palmas anymore cause they have to stay where they can see the coast so they don't get lost? Is that what you miss?

Crap it's easy to fix. Stop giving the dungeon runners anything to buy.

Sonia
11-07-2012

Thank you Hans!!!

Claudia
11-07-2012

And so that concludes it, you keep saying old facts that have been used all over this page bro..
Just go back to ir so called box room that gives you money.
Oh and for those people who are bashing on pirates.. You guys are just scared lol~ tsk no backbone players nowadays.
But whatever, you guys ruined uWO congratulations fag dungeoneers now go back to ur UDO while we go play UWO.

Naoyasu
11-07-2012

We keep going over "old facts" because they haven't penetrated your thick skull yet. Poor little rich kid maxing out Mommy's credit cards on Tbox so he can be super 1337 pyrot. waah waah waah nobody sails anymore cepts for people in bigger or faster boats than me!!

Waaaahh when i board them they have better melee skills than I do!!! FIX IT!!!!!

Dongwoo
11-07-2012

Claudia, you just made the point of what people who dont care about ESBTs are saying. Dungeons are only a part of the game, if someone does not like them they don't have to do them. UWO is still UWO, NM is just adding to the game.

Really? fag dungeoneers?? We all can see who hasn't made it to high school yet. You don't agree with something and you revert to name calling.

Francine
11-07-2012

If only see a lot o people crying because dont like play this game and only like see a lot of vulnerable targets in the sea to plunder and made a bad day for him, i'm good in dungeons and this made me a best player than i was 2 yeas before, and still so expend a lot of hours in the sea because a like listing the music of the game and the sound of the waves. Try see the side of the peoples than have time to made trade runs of 2-4 hour or more to bring luxury goods to Europe. if you are a crazy guy who thinks only will be happy with a 1000 Billions of ducats and a 100 nc ships analysis if you're in the right game.

Meng Meng
11-07-2012

Spy.
I like to be plundered ;) ask jyde and ezio~
It's just unfair how you people can insta teleport -_-
Deleting it will make the gameplay fair :)
Or at least untradable

Sophia
11-07-2012

NM gave the easy way to go dungeon, you guy complain like an idiot,
SHUT UP!!

Lisa
11-07-2012

DB!! We Need You To Delete This All Shit Comments. Pls Pls Pls

Spy.
11-07-2012

Spoken like a true dungeoneer doe ;)
but seriously, what's wrong with going to the dungeon itself and grinding in there and SAILING back to sell it? The way that traders have to do it.

I'm gonna stop caring anymore, cause there nothing that can stop this madness, everyone changed courtesy to your type of "feasty" language.

I'll call you people spoiled brats instead :3 cause you know, you people keep getting spoiled by dungeons enough to change your attitudes toward other people gratz gratz!

Nina
11-07-2012

Talking about the fairness of ESBT is completely bullshit, as if some of us have no access to dungeon. Dungeons give quick cash. If you are jealous of dungeoneers' income, you should be one of them, provided that you could stand the initial investment effort and the dullness of the dungeon.

Shipbuilding is as boring as dungeon running, yet lots of people strive for getting it R20. Why? because it is convenient and profitable (20m per improvement... omg).

And you will need gears, skills, levels and experience to take efficient dungeon runs, which could take time to build up.

In my opinion, dungeon runners deserve the big profit. The ones who do not deserve big profit are the multi spice traders, whose profit are now so severely impacted due to Nanban trade =D.

I start to believe NM promoted dungeons in order to hurt multi traders (e.g. 1 clipper towing 4 manilla galleon mules).

Nina
11-07-2012

removing ESBT would make sense if one could get dungeon items on the spot without fighting with some sort of "dungeon prize acquisition order", to mirror PO, which are given from MT land battle quests.

Otherwise, one could argue why people have to spend the extra fighting effort to get trade goods from dungeon and SAIL back while traders can just buy goods with PO.

Xiao Wei
11-07-2012

Then what about the traders? They are left in dust with NM's bullshit management by making the nanban 1:3? So your saying that dungeoneers deserve it just... ? ._.

Tell me what are the maritimers job? Fight right? Then why the heck would you need some kind of item to do what exactly? "Dungeon prize acquisition order?" wtf can that do? YOU HAVE TO EARN IT BRO! TRADERS HAD TO STILL BUY IT AND AS FOR THE DUNGEONEERS THEY GET IT FOR FREE WHILE FIGHTING! SO HOW WOULD IT BE FAIR IF YOU GET THE TRADE GOODS FOR FREE!!!???? DOn't give me any bs about gears and skills and blabla cause traders had to grind their skills too in order to be advantageous at trading...

Wen zhi
11-07-2012

Nina: when after more than 1 year work to get most trade skills at r20 with inventory full of expensive boosters and still get 1/5 profit over time, at best, than dungeoners... only a multi can try to compete that... and still loses. So... the no multi fix is preventing trade, awesome SAILING game to play...

Sylvia
11-07-2012

remove esbt's, remove PO's, remove QMP's, remove multies the game would be awesome...

Liza
11-07-2012

and remove u from this world,. and forget u as if u never exist,, then this world would be awesome

Liza
11-07-2012

and remove u from this world,. and forget u as if u never exist,, then this world would be awesome

Hans
11-07-2012

Remove such items from the game would be breaking, like they did when removed PO ticket reward from market keeper when the game went from CBT to OBT and they damaged trading for ever. An easy fix for dungeon problem would be remove 1:3 nerf from nanban, put back PO tickets rewards on Market Keeper and remove nanban goods from EA dungeons, let there only the other chinese especialties wich arent nanban, like paintings, calico and such that sells for like 20k. This way both traders and dungeoners could be happy and it would balance the earnings. If anyone liked this suggestion please post it on sugestion thread on NM forum. As i dont like to do for NM their work wich would be to solve this problem once and for all and making both parts happy.

Nina
11-07-2012

Wen zhi, i agree trading is kinda screwed.

But think other way, would trading boost NC sales? It's mainly the maritimer role that boosts NC sales (AFCV, MIS, MSF gamble, i assure u $200 won't even get u one of those ships). Having a fair trading system would require Pay-2-Play, and most likely a $30 / month subscription won't even cover NM's ambition on profit.

While playing as trader now is extremely boring, try Maritime, it still has a lot of fun provided that you tip a bit in NC (or otherwise it would be hard :S )

The game is getting to the end-phase of Free-2-Play business model. We either adapt or quit.

Sylvia
11-08-2012

for pirates out there don't make south east asia lawless many players tempted to use dungeon because SEA has to many pirates. don't blame ESBT for destroying the game it just an item. once south east asia and east asia is safe you can see many players go there most of them in private status.

Base on my experience many players leave europe when SEA or india is safe. Doing dungeons is totally boring you know but if SEA is still unsafe we will continue to use esbt to supply our needs...

Luizao
11-08-2012

for Sylvia above me : on the other side can u imagine playing this game without pirates? then whats the point theres a battle class here? only merchant vlass & adventurer.
Whats the point of grinding skill gunnery/accuracy/ballistic/assault/etc?
Pirates are what makes this game realistic. Though im not a pirate & i hate being pirated but ive realized thats what it shud be because without them theres no challenge in this game.
My 2cents

Jean
11-09-2012

^ actually i could. if they make battle campaigns, ESF and maybe a designated part of the sea open for synchronized maritiming, then yeah.. that's very doable. pirates are not as big of a necessity in the game as they would like or you would like to think they are.... ever.

Sonia
11-09-2012

Jean = carebear

Rashid
11-21-2012

this is better than nc nanban permit bill and nanban certificate :D

Sakura
11-21-2012

yup its just reward of dungeon runs while nanban permit and nanban certificate are nc..

AliBayan
11-21-2012

So why wouldn't they for instance make the nanban permit / certificate a dungeon finding, and the ESBT a nanban trade reward? Sounds like some balance, and hey even the socializing matter could improve (;

Natascha
11-21-2012

it is not a valid compare EBST with PO/QMP. You still need to SAIL to india/SEA to use the PO/QMP to get the trading goods or the quests you want, and then SAIL back to EU once you are done with loading/question.
EBST doesnt need to sail at all. Beside, even if dungeons without EBST, you can still getting goods at 0 cost, i.e. higher profit, more exp after sell. I think EBST should be at less make to no tradeable. So People who want to get them, use them have to farm the EBST themselves, or fleet/leech other ppl.

Beatrice
11-21-2012

You know you don't just pop into a dungeon and open chests right? There is a certain amount of grinding that takes place so you can even successfully run them. This argument is tired and running around in circles because the thread has gotten so long people aren't reading completely through it before they decide to comment. Some of the suggestions to "balance" the game amaze me. There is a reason you don't let the inmates run the asylum.

Just one more time I will mention that ESBT's have been around on the other servers for some time. Admin has had many months to evaluate the effect they have on overall gameplay. This is not some blight that has afflicted GAMA with no thought put into it. There is no question that it has raised the price of NC ships, but it has also raised the price of non-NC ships and land battle gear.

The people who seem to be complaining about it the loudest are people who ran bordeaux non-stop when it first came out, got what they needed out of it, and now do not seem to want anybody else to do the same.

Nina
11-22-2012

luxor mid costs 2 tickets to go, get 1 ticket at end and 500ish cargo of gems for 10 mins of left clicking, yeah that's a tough grind

Meng Meng
11-22-2012

Because nobody should be able to make money at all, unless it's a way you personally approve of, right?

This item needs no further explanation of its usage. DB would be smart to lock the comments for it. We should be exchanging information about the game here, and not have to see all this damn whining on the homepage.

Steward
11-22-2012

Maritimers are just scared to lose their main income. Who cares anymore anyway? The game is gone ever since that new company took over. This game is dead and will be in a year, I promise you that.

Beatrice
11-22-2012

For dungeons, its so easy to grind the required skills, just spend a whole day (if ur a new player) in syracuse church, sell the tickets make 50m in several hours. Then go buy land battle set and spend another day in LZ east of athens and by the end of the day you should have r7 sm and sp. Enough for bordeux and if you spend another day then you'll have r10 and sp.
So beatrice? Hmm?

Junchul
11-22-2012

If uwo is pissing u off, just go watch porn ur retarded people ^^

Sonia
11-22-2012

Pirates of the burning sea

KadyMarie
11-22-2012

You don't get R10 swordplay and sword mastery in a day, whoever told you that lie? 50 ESBT's for an entire day is only 10 runs.. A higher level character takes 1 hour to get 50 ESBT's, but that is hardly enough to run for an entire week, so i don't see why traders are whining that dungeons with ESBT's are an immediate thing if you have to run at least 1 hour a day for a few runs, which is kind of like a trader running to and from EA.

Shirin
11-22-2012

These sell at 1 mil or more for each Ticket to other players. You can collect these easy in Syracuse church dungeon from the boss. Get a ticket every couple minutes. You can skip the treasure chests there, they're not very good.

Please sell them to me.

Theo
11-22-2012

come on.. people sell it for 1m have you seen anyone buying it? the prices are still unchanged. still in 350-500k. try not to whine anymore here. do it in NM forums

Steward
11-22-2012

i sold over 100 for 1m each..

Naoyasu
11-22-2012

i bought 300 esbt for 1m last month

Sylvia
11-22-2012

Um theo, dunno what rock you've been hiding under, but ESBT's have been selling for 700k-1M ever since EA expansion.

Io
11-22-2012

ESBT is the new cash item now. I hope CRZY runs more ESBT only auctions.

Theo
11-22-2012

very silly and funny about skill grindng. It is all talking about the EBST has the teleportion function. Which po/qmp doesn't not. So it should get some limits on it for "fairless", or more "balanced" compare to other things. e.g. set it to have some kind of limit used per hours/day or make it untradeable. But it is a matter of whether GM/CJ/KEOI will do it or not, since they can make $$ if they can put NC item for 1:1 nanbam trade/exchange.

And dont be silly for tell/comparing about whether it needs skill or not. If you do adventure, it does need skills to do, does need to rise skills to do. Do you guys know how long to get to r10/12/10 search/arche/unlock for a quest before you can do/spam your qmp to do that quest??? i am sure you needs aa couple weeks without cheating with the use alt: map spammings.

how about spices trading with india/sea runs? for spices trading you need a day or 2 of training in EU to get to r5 r6, then you can get around 80 peppers for each PO4 use or about 40 each type of spices in SEA. or you only can get 50 or 20. Then need weeks if you want to rise your skill to r10 or even higher. All things/jobs/in the other hands do need times to train skills and they both and still needs to KEEP SAILING forever even if po/qmps exists!

sp/sm takes alot less time to train, and base on my record it only takes 3 and 4 days max to get your skill from r1 to r10. Then you can go and hit all those medium hardnless dungeons (or even EA if you are tough enough) WITHOUT SAILING forever!

So where is your valid point?

Anyway I do think there is any hope that anythings will change since the way GM/CJ works. But here is the fact and EBST made the trade system less balanced and it could be changed abit.

Spy. is a loser
11-23-2012

why would anyone want to regularly spend 3-5 hours on a trade run to east asia anyways? thats fun to you? oh the excitement of spending 50 minutes sailing there, another 50 minutes sailing back and endless port hops filling up both ways.

excuse me for finding the dungeon more action packed and exciting or enjoying the ability to do a run or two here and there and not having to commit hours to it.

shame this game has been poisoned so much by whinny pirates and multi traders who have an agenda for their own personal gains

Theo
11-23-2012

"who have an agenda for their own personal gains"

That's the bottom line. We ALL have that, but those of us grinding dungeons aren't trying to limit anyone else's gameplay to that end. That's the difference.

Laurencio
11-23-2012

yada yada yada yada same song and dance from the naysayers.

Nobody addresses the FACT that these have been around on the other servers for longer, with all the dungeons opened up. You want different rules put in place for GAMA as if the developers haven't watched the effect of ESBT's on the other servers.

If a change happens, it will be because money talks and the people who spend 100's of USD every month, maybe even 1000's, will have threatened to take their money elsewhere. It will NOT be because the developers believe it has caused an imbalance.

The arguments are tired and old, quit bitching and go play.

Liza
11-23-2012

Bravo Laurencio!!!!

Lewis
11-23-2012

for someone who couldn't care less you sure type alot.
And all you did is regurgitate what has already been said.

AliBayan
11-24-2012

Of course I do - I'm too respectful to leave you without an uncaring person's view, which apparently became desired so much, as the only credible kind.
And if points of such are common with what "caring" people have to say, it could possibly mean those are valid or at least worth giving a thought, maybe more than yabbing over and clapping.

Of course, a similar close-eyes scream-over attitude is visible with some people who are not in favor of the ESBT item, which means people of both views can be just as wrong.
Just as some points of people in favor of ESBT are valid, which means we all can be just as right.

One valid point is certainly the one about speaking through the prism of private gains - and it'd be good to have that one dropped more commonly, since despite all my uncaring, I'm curious about further valid points of people enjoying ESBTs.

Fanta
11-24-2012

just put a limit on ESBTs use or nerf tradegoods harder

Sublime
11-24-2012

In my opinion , put ESBTs as a non-tradable item...

Dongwoo
11-24-2012

OMG, still complaining about ESBT here? you're sick, the only thing that ruin this game are you complainers, and my hope is that NM staff will never ever listen to your pathetic baby cries!

AliBayan
11-24-2012

Oh yeah, kinda what I had in mind. Nerf it, make it non tradeable, omg lol your sick crybabies. A moderate, civilized exchange of views? Ya, good luck.

Carla
11-24-2012

We all know that the ESBT defenders are mostly the big companies as thats how they earn money, like armada has a lot of esbt users. Even BH has a lot.

Sonia
11-24-2012

You use a PO after a merchant runs out of items to sell to you, right? How is that, that nobody is complaining at POs making merchants "magically" be stocked up with inventory so you can buy things again? And how is that realistic?

People who try to argue against ESBTs and use the idea of "realism" are just subjective. Which does not make it far fetched that they do have an agenda, and it's pretty clear what they are.

You want to argue how ESBT does not fit into realism and realism should be in the game? You have to argue about everything else unrealistic in UWO.

Xiao Wei
11-24-2012

Sure its not realistic, but it fits perfectly with the game...
But teleportation? Did you hit your head or something?
Stop defending it maritimers, you have to realize that the game is now broken and unbalanced because of a single item.
Wake up and ohhh please don't tell us to learn to live with it because we are the players, and we have the ability to complain and give suggestions. Only players who says live with it are carebears, so shut up sonia.

Mei Hua
11-24-2012

POs and qmps arent really unrealistic... in trade unreal is that the trader have infinite stockpile of goods to sell. PO is just a "trusted customer" gift from the trade guild to the merhcants that did quests before (without dungeons POs come from quest rewrads...)
ESBT CANNOT BE COMPARED

Hans
11-24-2012

More unrealistic is the infinite quantities of goods in dungeons...

Fanta
11-24-2012

Im a maritimer and i never run Dungeons with ESBT, i run dungeons in tamsui and only pick 2 out of 8-10 types of tradegoods there, and fill myself with it because i can run as much as i can, it doesnt cost me anything, and by filling only 2 types i can sell easily in Eu

Wen zhi
11-24-2012

I still think that if the idea of other people playing how they want, and profiting from it, ruins your game, you should just quit and play something else.

Bitching and whining, pointing fingers saying "They're making more money than me, it's NOT FAIR!!11!" is ludicrous, self-entitled, and childish. Nobody stops you from running the dungeons, too. Nobody but you, that is. If you don't want to take advantage of it, then you're the one limiting your own gameplay - but leave mine the hell alone.

Ming Mei
11-24-2012

How sad, see what I mean by the dungeoneers acting for themselves alone? You all are selfish bastards who only want to gain money and money never caring about the future of the game. And what will happen if everyone else quit and only you, wen zhi, and a couple hand of dungeoneers are left? You, out of all people ruins the whole game completely. Please leave -___-. Too l4te anyway bbecaause people are starting to leave, goodbye UDO. I hope NM gets the worst company award.

Liza
11-24-2012

all the complaining back and forth just play the game. POs this ESBTs that, play the game. Let people dungeon if they want, let pirates do what they do, let traders trade and adventures do what they do. The game will never be 100% perfect or satisfying to everyone.

Mei Hua
11-24-2012

hey man dungeoneers buy ESBT 1mil each. dugeoneer still need armour,weapon, boot, glove. hey dugeoneers buy from other ppl give money to other ppl to. i agree with liza keep playing and do what you like

Hernan
11-24-2012

Thats the problem, dungeons make NERFED trading and pirating/bounty hunting WORTHLESS. Traders cannot play as they want because if they want money for whaterer (nc ships, but also investing!!! ) dungeon is 10x BETTER... what is the point of trading if eventually anyone spamming dungeons get your hard work money 10x faster!?

Sonia
11-24-2012

who cares about trading, 4 hour trips to make money is bad for the game and leaves only the hardcore player with time to do anything. esbts are great for all. got 20 minutes to play only? no problem can do a dungeon run. rather then what sail 1/4 the way to sea.

Mei Hua
11-24-2012

hey man dungeoneers buy ESBT 1mil each. dugeoneer still need armour,weapon, boot, glove. hey dugeoneers buy from other ppl give money to other ppl to. i agree with liza keep playing and do what you like

Chester
11-24-2012

If you enjoy trading/pirating/adventuring, don't stop. If you're low on funds, run the dungeons for an evening, then go back to whatever the hell you want to be doing. It's not that hard to figure out.

If you don't like trading/pirating/adventuring enough to want to do it anyway, but you somehow thing it's "the one right way" to make money, then that's your issue - one strictly in your head.

I think it's worse to be spending a ton on TB, only to flood the market with those items as a source of income - it certainly takes less effort*. I think it's the absolute worst to give business to the gold spammers, yet people do. There are far worse ways to make a shittonne o f money than dungeons, yet we seem to be an easy target for your frustation. Well, to hell with that. Eyes on your own screen, play how you want, leave the rest of us alone.

*Don't even start again on how NM needs NC money, we all know that, and we know TB aren't going anywhere. We also (most of us) take advantage of those items from bazaars. My point is that people get rich from TB with even less effort (no actual gameplay required) than people who grind dungeons.

Emma
11-24-2012

So basically you ran out of things to defend ESBT and now you're putting blame on NC players who are keeping the game running?

Mei Hua
11-24-2012

hey man dungeoneers buy ESBT 1mil each. dugeoneer still need armour,weapon, boot, glove. hey dugeoneers buy from other ppl give money to other ppl to. i agree with liza keep playing and do what you like

Sakura
11-24-2012

Hey, dungeoneers need to buy ESBT too and armour/weapons but look we get 10x more profit than other players!
Mei Hua you funny you funny..

Naoyasu
11-24-2012

@Emma - No. You missed the point entirely (which doesn't surprise me). People are bitching that dungeons take no effort, no investment, no skill, it's just free instant money. That is incorrect. However, making ones ingame money from NC does fit that description. I'm pointing out a hypocrisy, not arguing for change.

The whole thing is really dumb. From what I've seen, most of the pirates who whine about dungeons are big NC spenders. Well where do they think people get the billions of ducats to buy their greedily priced NC items? It's ALL dungeon money, just as in real life, it's all blood money. You don't make billions from spice runs, no matter how many clients you're running.

The EA dungeons certainly shook up the ingame economy, but there's nothing to show that it's particularly harmful, as it's something everyone has access to (If you can't do EA dungeons because of level, you can farm ESBT). So yes, there is inflation, but there is increased income to balance it. The problem with inflation is when "wages" don't rise with it, as the situation is in most of the western world now. This isn't the case in our little game, where riches are only limited by the time we can play, and our inclination to take advantage of the way the game is made.

Nicola
11-24-2012

ESBTs are part of the game and wont be removed just becouse you bitch about them. Get over it.

Emma
11-26-2012

@Naoyasu

no you are wrong, you are completely missing/ignoring the whole point. The unlimited number of teleportation is the things people talking about, it breaks the balance of the game. It is better to give it some limit to it.

This is a freaking sailing games. People sail around for quest, sail around for trade at normal time. "who cares about trading, 4 hour trips to make money is bad for the game and leaves only the hardcore player with time to do anything." It is the EBST who crashed the system, making dungeons too easy to make trade, so it TRADE in NORMAL way seems useless! Get the point!

Beatrice
11-26-2012

I disliked "TRADE in NORMAL way" long before ESBT's ruined the game. Seemed very pointless until you could get to SEA and get spices. So much crying over "teleportation" when the game handles time in such a strange way anyway. Where is the bitching about BC only taking 5 seconds now to get a person from a major city to SEA? Isn't that teleportation?

It broke the game why? Because you say so? One more time for those that just won't get it: This system has been in place over in Korea and Japan for a while now. People are still trading and pirating over there. It didn't "crashed the system". So much crying and whining.

People still sail around here, and they will continue to. My gosh what do you think the dungeon runners are doing with their money? They're buying boats!

Wen zhi
11-26-2012

@Beatrice

if you don't think about it in a logcial side. There is no way can be talked. This is a freaking sailing game again. People are supposed to do sailing. Even if you dont like It is they made the "TRADE in NORMAL way", it is NORMAL and of cos not everyone like it since it takes time.

But they made a ESBT to break the normal/balance, and then people like you stop sailing and ABUSE the use of ESBT and then "think" the "unlimited teleportation" to do dungeons is fine and not breaking the trade system.

the BC 5 seconds is a different thing. People take that line from a port to teleport to do battles and then come back. NOT to get 15-20m of trading good back every 10-15 mins. People doing EA trading in a normal way can get like a rate of 3-5m every 10-15 mins. This is what break the balance COMPLETELY. Before EA opened, SEA spices/other dungeons wasn't that big imbalanced.

Yea, other server other servers. I know lots of people stopped playing from other servers and come to the English 1 becos the inflation are too hugh. You cant buy things even if you have money. A friend of mine said he needs alts to carry checks becos money are too easy to make.

Yea, people here who do dungeons buy ships. Look how much the price of the ships now? TLG 25m, NC ships are many bils each. And later they will need 10,15 bils each. Cos money are too easy to make and demand is more then supply.

Erda
11-26-2012

@Beatrice you are stupid. people going BC didnt earn money they lost money cause do battle .. and they never str8 go to SEA they just battle there they cant do any trading.. i bet you are those dungeoneers that never trade/adventure/battle or have you ever step foot on water before?

Lancelot
11-26-2012

Stop arguing about the same stupid stuff. This isn't the site for it.

P.S If you step foot on water you aren't sailing you are swimming or drowning.

Romanovska
11-27-2012

keep arguing , NM cant even hear people arguing about this in forum

Sakura
11-27-2012

my levels are my business, but um, i unlocked alchemy on my own, so you figure out what kind of levels and skill set i need for that. Not to mention how much sailing that took.
Teleporting is teleporting, that's what you are bitching about. what you get out of the "teleporting" is up to you. bitch bitch bitch bitch.
If you don't like it for dungeons you shouldn't like the concept for BC's either, i mean, that's all i hear about how you don't have to SAIL to such and such a place and SAIL back. So why do you get to "teleport" to the BC area too?

It is tired and old, and only one person has even made an attempt to acknowledge the FACT that this has been around on other servers for a while now, and it was a weak attempt. before dungeons came out MAV's sold for 300m (they were the top end ship at the time) and that was an ASTRONOMICAL amount to obtain. So crying and bitching about how much stuff costs was happening long before the full effect of ESBT's was realized on GAMA.

Why all the crying seriously? Don't want to pay ducats? not an problem, spend money and buy the tboxes until you get what you want without all the hassle.... methinks some of the multiboxing spice traders are butthurt.

Io
11-27-2012

sucu huge posts taht nobody is gonna read heuheu

Shirin
11-27-2012

Wow....ass hurt people without skills or abilties to even run the dungeon crying here stfu and get over it.. Lima was an imbalance, same with luxor.... this is not new u retards.

Fort does pay better but also.. the npcs are tougher. Deal..If you dont like go find new game

Igor
11-27-2012

all you people crack me up. dungoners need gear, we cannot really repair (world/mtt i guess but silvers are hard as fck to find and only come from DUNGEON!! - -!!) THUS casters/crafters are still massively needed...

Most people dont have time to spend 2 hours driving aimlessly to do spice run except those who have other things to do and afk alot while playing.

Takes reasonably high sword play/sm/snipping/gunfire to run these. As well as high adv skills to pull quest for SEA dungeon.

ESBT havnt broken the game. They were around before noobs! as well as on other servers...

Not everyone dungeons 24x7, as at some point they get bored do other things or come buy your goods/items in bizzar/comp store/buy more esbt.

Whats to stop you from running syra for esbt's for monies?

The problem here is people are asshurt cus they don't have fort/can't run fort/or are just jelly cus they are poor. Get over it!! It is not that drastic of an change, lima paid almost as well well(50% less)...90% of these lame whining comments are pirates/multiboxes/adv players...

ornament and re-pull the quest and charge hundred million adv players..Charge more for PA's...

Pirates go play COD if u want more ACTION...

Until trade routes on UWO are fixed yall are gonna cry lil bishes..have fun with your rage quit...

Enver
11-27-2012

ESBT have not broken the game, but for sure you pathetic whiners have broken my balls, I play a lot uwo, I don't like trade at all, better said I hate trading, may be I passed some hours doing dungeons, for the rest I sail, fight, do adventure and above all I read your continuous and pathetic complains, stop already wtf! and please DB, remove this thread, I find disgusting how these no lifers spend time whining about these pixel ESBT instead of just enjoying this wonderful game.

Kicker
11-27-2012

^Epic

Sex With Geese
11-27-2012

Sex With Geese

Ming Mei
11-27-2012

you guys obviously don't enjoy this broken game so do everyone a favor stfu and quit already. your endless whining won't be missed

Meng Meng
11-27-2012

its not the esbt is the real problem in game but the management. i've played many online game before local and international so far uwo is the only game that i play that wont give any item shop item due to maintenance and this is the only game that you pay real money in order to upgrade.

Maria
11-27-2012

WTB anti-knock out potion hahah

Beatrice
11-27-2012

STFU Carla you aint knocking anyone out you crumb ass bitch

LL
11-27-2012

mama said knock you out

Steward
11-27-2012

lol yes, the trade system isnot broken. ESBT+EA dungeons combo earns 10 times more then the NORMAL sailing + trading way. It shots up the price of everything like crazy. Forces people to do dungeons if they want to match up the evasion if you want to get those high end good ships. AND you do all these fund rising with ESBT with almost NO NEED OF SAILING.
Yes, the game/trading system isn't broken, but your head is!

Jean
11-27-2012

Yes and that's much worse than it used to be. Where spice was king and the people with the money were the endless multibox trains running from Ambon to their company shops in EU. Lima and EA dungeons have completely broken the domination of the spice running multifleet companies. So sad.

Low-to-Mid level characters are now able to make enough money to think about buying a nice NC ship, the horror. The system has been "broken" for a long time now and will remain so until the WHOLE game is completely implemented.

So tired of hearing about how it's a SAILING GAME. We still sail around moron, we don't buy those fancy ships for nothing. We don't spend every moment of our time in the dungeons else there would be nothing to spend the money on.

Kicker
11-27-2012

whole game completely implemented? whats that? NOW only dungeons is FULLY implemented... trade is nerfed in GAMA, no royal fleet and fortress battle, no debate...
And for "now low and medium level can get NC ships"... mmm, so, whats the point of leveling? in the average 30 mari/adv you get the most OP ships, and trade 70 without even trading... and you all are sailing in these fancy ships... doing what? Exhibiting ships?
And for "multibox spice dominance"... dont know, gold selers are still around and the HUGE inflation raise started when the dungeons started to give too much money to get lottery ships.

Junchul
11-27-2012

You ask a question and then you answer it, brilliant. The full game is not implemented yet means exactly that, it's not fully implemented. You just gave a wide range things that we haven't seen yet. You ask what the point of leveling is, then IMMEDIATELY bitch about trade level 70 without trading. (Let me let you in on a little secret, i was level 40 trading without trading and that was before dungeons, it's called production grinding, you going to bitch about that too?)

Dungeons changed pricing but did not make anything more expensive. I know you're going to have a hard time with this, but truly it didn't make anything more expensive, in fact it made a lot of things cheaper.

I'm not going to explain that to you just yet, i'm going to let your mind implode first and read your rant, then i'll explain it.

Chester
11-27-2012

Trade is fully implemented now too, but is nerfed. And trade 40 from crafting is loable, up to 52, too... but 70 is a bit much.
But problem should not be only ESBT, is trade. Trade now is worthless, and must be the best way for ducats if you work on it, even more than dungeon. If dungeons are a nice alternative for quick cash, but for long term revenue trade should be MUCH better.
But now, considering that you can choose dungeon or trade (nanban trade is suposedly the most profitable system) and the second is BAD, balance is totally BROKEN, and ESBT contributes to it.

Theo
11-27-2012

I just want to point out that the Namban trading has not just been "Nerfed" on GAMA but other servers also. So it is unlikely to be changed.

Emma
11-28-2012

How does one sell this thing for more than 500k when the bazaar & company shop only limits it to 500k?

Sophia
11-28-2012

Private exchange. Just take them somewhere busy like Seville or London, and /shout how many/how much. For amounts in excess of 100m, people are used to using cheques to pay for them.

JR
11-29-2012

Bazaar/CompShop price caps have to be lifted, they serve no effective purpose. It's a PITA trying to sell stuff. Message the mods if u agree.

Sylvia
11-29-2012

It wouldn't kill them to add another digit or two to bank account capacity, too.

Holfina
11-29-2012

Netmarble might come with an NC item "Special Bazaar Privilege Permit", which allows you increase the pricing limit by 10 times, say 1k NC per day, or 59k permanently?

Claudia
11-29-2012

i sent a msg to uwopolice to at least get them talking about it

Cornelia
11-29-2012

ESBT is part of the game so all you WHINERS better stop. If ESBT is the cause of why ship/item prices are rising then do dungeons also no one is stopping you. Oh I forgot, you WHINERS don't like dungeons so that means blame the players who likes dungeons. Assuming, no one is sailing anymore and you WHINERS feel lonely sailing, then you guys quit. Don't blame the item just because you don't like it.

if NM will someday change ESBT to "non tradeable" or "limit no. of use a day" then so be it but until then just play the game or quit WHINERS.

Claudia
11-29-2012

Until you started the bitching again, the thread had gone quiet with regards to dungeons and economy. You must be REALLY dumb to want to stir that up again, while simultaneously complaining about the complaining. o.O

Erda
11-29-2012

ya.. go f yourself in the the dungeons hours a day for weeks, with almost no sailing while earning the money for a ship you will sail with. and repeat the same to shoot up the market and break the economics with all the dungeon people.
This drive the things price high and force the people to do "DUNGEONs" not "sailing+trading". I am not talking to you anymore since you have no sense. This is a freaking sailing game! I am not going to hear your BS anymore.

Holfina
11-29-2012

Yep, butthurt spice trader.

Jean
11-29-2012

I didnt notice any inflation in game tbh beside maybe from PO price that went up but thats all, hell i could even say that prices of almost everything else went down, beside its not dungeons that r making inflation in game, its NM itself putting P2W ships in their boxes that later ppl selling for hilarious money and other items. And not like everyone can do those dungeons.

Steward
11-29-2012

yup, even rare books' price went down dramatically. non-nc user or casual nc user had hard time to get ducats to buy ships to compete with hardcore nc users. and its not like they loves to do dungeons but they HAD to do dungeons to be at least decent.

Xiao Wei
11-30-2012

Just because people do dungeons doesn't mean prices have to go up. Players choose to raise prices. Blame the player not the game.

Emma
11-30-2012

Last time I checked the market keeper doesn't raise his prices because of dungeons

Sophia
11-30-2012

ESBT are the cause of world hunger and wars imho.

ps. rare stuff's price went down due to oxford skills

Holfina
11-30-2012

really? even a v6 book price went down although it has nothing to do with oxford. i missed the days when it can be sold up to 300m.

Naoyasu
11-30-2012

ofc prices went down as rare stuff are not that hard to get now with all skills... v6 dunno, probably follows the trend...

Lancelot
11-30-2012

with the oxford skill: rare plunder and successful plunder (increase aide cargo seize rate) i got 5 HASC in just 10 mins)... without those skills, it could take 1-2 days to get 1 :P

Claudia
11-30-2012

Qmps
100k-500k
Where were you? Oh nevermind you're in that boxed room.

Claudia
11-30-2012

Also fs parts.
Seriously, go sail.

Holfina
11-30-2012

Netmarble might come with an NC item "Special Bazaar Privilege Permit", which allows you increase the pricing limit by 10 times, say 1k NC per day, or 59k permanently?

Liza
11-30-2012

Inflation isn't an issue until prices drop back down to "normal". This is why economic "bubbles" are great on the way up, but they're terrible when the bubble ends and prices return to "normal". Everyone can do dungeons, even traders. Eventually we'll adjust to inflated dungeon prices, unless everything changes again.

ESBT is evil for 4 reasons:
1) ESBTs help make dungeons THE MOST rewarding thing to do in UWO
2) Dungeons are the least attractive thing about UWO. Every other MMO has dungeons that are MUCH MORE FUN than ours.
3) Traders can earn THE MOST Trade experience, profit and fame from dungeons with only 3 or 4 skills
4) If you're using ESBTs then you're not sailing, in a sailing game
5) Eventually most people will realize they could have more fun playing a better dungeon game

RIP, UDO

Liza
11-30-2012

oops that was 5 reasons, my bad haha

Jean
11-30-2012

ok you think ESBT is unfair? then use ESBT to run dung. idiot

Darnell
11-30-2012

Do you guys know if NM, GM, or anyone is even looking or checking this comments regarding ESBTs, dungeons, etc? This comment section is here to HELP EACH OTHER and not whine and bitch about items, prices, etc.

So PLEASE stop and just play the game.

DB: Please delete all this nonsense comments. Thank You.

Lisa
12-08-2012

you got a link for that skippy or you just like to be one of those "name it and claim it" types? I haven't seen anything remotely official about any nerfing of anything.

Sylvia
12-08-2012

if you weren't so stupid you would understand they were arguing against limiting dungeons to 3 times a day WITH OR WITHOUT tickets. reading comprehension is sorely lacking in the uwo community

Jafar
12-08-2012

there is a post about it and multis on the offical forum

Io
12-08-2012

I don't really see the point of penalizing people who like to do dungeons for the items(not trade goods) that drop in them, since it takes a ridiculous amount of tries to even remotely get one, with only 3 times a week restriction you'll be lucky to even see a drop in 1 year's worth of tries. Now a bunch of land battle skills will become completely useless Traps/Swordmastery/Throwing/Sniping/Merchandise Knowledge... Restriction will only cause more problems than it solves, when all they had to do was simply remove ESBT from the game in the first place if you wanted people to sail.

Li Yue
12-08-2012

21*

Cornelia
12-08-2012

Oversupply of esbts come from extensive farming from easy dungeon like Syracuse/Bordeaux. Stop making things complicated, just remove/nerf esbt from these 2 places. Esbt don't belong there.

Sophia
12-08-2012

how about if the dungeon players now cry and whine like little school girls to get POs and QMPs completly nerfed. the non dungeoneers cried like someone stole their candy. "this is a sailing game" blah blah blah. Because doing the same thing over and over again doesn't get boring. Wouldn't you think expanding the game play would help?

JR
12-08-2012

Remove ESBT's and add a warehouse system where you can lease warehouse space in cities. Cities closest to higher payout dungeons cost more to lease space. They have to fill up there ship at dungon then trasnport to warehouse. Lots of storage so they can stack up items all week, no BS 999 cap, then have to do cargo runs back to EU the traditional way.

Warehouse space would be great for other parts of the game too, not enough storage in it.

Chester
12-08-2012

When is NetMarble going to put Multiboxing Permits in NC Shop?

Kicker
12-08-2012

lol Its apart of the game people whine about it go play wow or something

Claudia
12-08-2012

people are retarded, definitely, especially the ones that feel proud for the crap that NM is planning.
Basically all will be the same, you just need to buy more NC items, nanban is still slow as hell and dungeons is not funny anymore, harder, with silly limits, everybody unhappy and more people whining and quitting the game.

Dongwoo
12-08-2012

it changes nothing, they still allow multi's so you jsut make multiple characters who can run dungeons. it will slow it down a bit while people get the alts built up, but it doesn't stop anything.

Nina
12-08-2012

PLSSSS !!!!dont nerf dungeon ,it's the only way i can earn ducats !!and i dont think Japan server or Taiwan server nerf their dungeon too ????I quit.

Chester
12-08-2012

100 dungeons/week its not an effective nerf. Also starting to openly allow multiing that will really damage the game, they should really fix PO drops and nanban rate instead of breaking the other parts of the game with uneffective nerfs

MumsBasementDweller
12-09-2012

I luvs my ESBT!

Erda
12-09-2012

Seriously? As opposed to whom? The spice trader who spends hours on end running between home base and Ambon? Yeah, none of those live in mama's basement. Or what? the pirate who's pissed cause he thinks somebody is making money without running through lawless waters? Right none of them have experienced any failure to launch either. Grow up.

ButtHurtSpiceRunner
12-09-2012

Everyone must play how I play! Remove ESBT and nerf all dungeons. Start sailing noobs!

stehrle
12-09-2012

WTS 300 ESBT 150 m, PM in game for more details

Igor
12-09-2012

Funny shit. "stehrle" here wants to fill his block list with people who pm about the esbt he offered. Is it supposed to hurt our feelings being blocked by someone we don't know? lol.

Emma
12-09-2012

I think ESBT should be removed from game or made a very rare item. there are two simple season,
Number one they are very bad for new players, cuase the learning curve is already hard enough adding a retarded price curve is not very noob friendly.
Second is the economy of the game. It is a general fact that bad inflation rates destroy econamies. no one is lossing there job here, but people will quite when it gets too hard to do simple things. As an example look at the price of a MAV now comparied to a year ago... 2 bill compaired to 200-300 mill. That is bad.

Fix the problem before people start to quit!!!

Lena
12-09-2012

You really didn't think that out before you typed it. ESBT's have made the low level players rich, if you had paid any attention at all that's precisely what a lot of people are complaining about! It has made it too easy for the little guys to get money.

Second off the game doesn't have true inflation. Market rates have been unaffected by the huge influx of gold to the players. Private farms/quarters/colony pricings have all stayed static too. This actually has made them effectively less expensive.

Yeah, MAV's used to cost "only 300M" but my God man, that was an unreachable amount of money for anybody except spice runners. Now (at least until something changes) it is much more reacheable.

I really wish I could get you guys to understand this, but sadly most won't.

Lancelot
12-09-2012

If they do cripple the dungeons the way it's being proposed, it will impact everyone, not just the dungeon runners.

No more MTTs. 3 runs a day, IF you wasted them all in Abu Simbel, *might* net you what, 5 MTTs a WEEK?! They'll be purely an NC item, when a TB shows up with them. Kiss goodbye most of your fancy NC or high adventure won armour.

No more POs. Sure, a few can be had from quests, but not enough to rank trade skills competitively. Those hundreds of cheap POs you see every day in bazaars, all from dungeons. At the rate they sell, people can't hate us too much without being hypocrites.

Throwing, Trap, Sword Mastery, could as well delete them. With nothing left to kill, what's the point. There would certainly be no point in taking these skills with a new character. Nobody is going to grind at landing points to rank up trap if they can only use it 3 runs a day.

All non-maritime equipment? Worthless. Without dungeons, who needs armour and high weapons? Duels are infrequent enough as it is now. Sure, they're a nice diversion for land battle types, but we'll go extinct without motivation to MAKE a land battle character. So the value of those Vinland pieces, all gone, which is probably good, because you won't have MTTs to repair them, anyway.

The booming second hand EA trade goods market will disappear too. So people who don't have access to the EA dungeons themselves won't even be able to buy the goods. Considering half the people whining about the dungeons are probably shoveling this shit into the MK as well, you would think they'd not be so shortsighted as to cut themselves off.

Oh yeah, crippling the dungeons is a MUCH BETTER solution than just say, reducing the value of EA goods, or reducing the number of them you get per run from the EA dungeons. /facepalm.

Mei Hua
12-09-2012

yeah all that stuff you mentioned can be gotten from diffent methods... MTT's from maps... EA goods you would have to acually get from EA what a concept... and as for all the other stuff you can still do dungeons you just cant sell your plunder in amsterdam or wherever your sitting in port you accualy have to sail a little...
I did not really think through the new players comment I just figured. As for the economy in the game that is player too player not player to NPC. NPC has set progam for pices and stuff.
And your comment about spice traders only being able too reach 300m is the perfect example of what im talking about. Why the hell would you do spice runs if you can use ESBT's and make that same in an hour it used to take 4-8 hours? so now trade runs are pointless? so pirates are sitting there going what happen to all the people who used to go do trade runs, and stop being pirates. Those exact things may not happen, but that is that kind of stuff that dose happen.
read a statment I liked earlier, its a sailing game and ESBT's have nothing to do with sailing.

Erda
12-09-2012

MTT = pure nc?
pft...

Kicker
12-09-2012

master tailor tools are not pure NC... inless Im missinformed about what MTT means then that was a tard coment. there are many maps too obtain them my friend used to farm them all the time...

Chester
12-09-2012

Uncharted Dungeon Online

Chester
12-09-2012

Uncharted Complainers Online

Spy.
12-09-2012

Uncharted Nerf Online
byebyeeeeeeee~

Laurencio
12-09-2012

@Mei Hua
Nuff said

Mei Hua
12-09-2012

Kill the ESBT, let the dungeon be intakt and move the responibality to the trader!! Sell the goods or ship it to Europe.

Xiao Wei
12-19-2012

No more comment ...?? I like to read more ...lol

Xiao Wei
12-19-2012

No more comment ...?? I like to read more ...lol

Shirin
12-19-2012

There is really nothing left to say. Changes are coming, nobody knows exactly how it's going to work yet. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Natascha
12-19-2012

Am I the only Trader planning to use my daily ESBTs, then sail to Fort Santo, load up my new netmarble approved multibox fleet in dungeon, and sail back?

Liza
12-19-2012

oh yea, what happened to multi boxing and ESBT issue?

Nicola
12-19-2012

Pirates can't steal my stuff, I have Tribute goods. They're cheaper than ESBT these days.

Kicker
12-19-2012

tributes, noob, you are realy noob i never use multibox and nc and i have an MAV and MTC

Meng Meng
12-19-2012

tribute users are better then blue flag users.

Raythe
12-19-2012

Billy Bad-ass shit talkers are worse than any multiboxer, sign your name or GTFO

Hernan
01-07-2013

Is this item still worth 1m ? Why nobody raise the price ? Since a lot of dungeoners willing to buy this ;)

Beatrice
01-07-2013

The current price now is 2m each !!!!!!!

Lancelot
01-07-2013

dont be fooled, in case you don't know, it is now 5m each!

Lisa
01-07-2013

no its 50m now i sell yesterday for 1 each

Io
01-07-2013

the only thing i want nm to change for dungeon is to make esbt to be untradable

Erda
01-07-2013

Hehehe lancelot i will not get fooled by u ... One of my friend who ussualy do a dungeon ,he say if he has 5 esbt he can earn about 10-15M / round ,so if 5M for 1 ticket is quite impossible
I thinks 2m is high price already .. How bout 1.5M .....? For 5 he can earn 10-15m each esbt worth 1.5 quite logic ..
half : half

Jean
01-07-2013

Oh my god .. 10 fold price give by lancelot ....let me sell it too u lisa 25m each lol

Chester
01-07-2013

Then you go farm it yourself, we are selling 2m, take it or leave it, I am sure a lot would still buy it, you want to farm it, it's up to you, I would buy if I am you, cause I still earn a lot doing FSD

Lena
01-07-2013

fyi, i do farm it myself when i need it. i dont want to feed and encourage those syracuse newbs to play the game the wrong way.

Kicker
01-07-2013

@chester
who are you the "we"? who fix the price? it is not just you. it depends on how much people can earn from fsd/other dungeons. when you put 2m, there are other ppl will sell cheaper then you.

5 tickets for mid FSD at 2m = 10m per run. while you can only earn 10-15m. do you think people will buy your 2m each? LOL

Maria
01-07-2013

fyi lots of newbs quit games within a month or 2 becos the syracuse way is crap. They only know dungeons and felt like nothing can/want to do once they left dungeons too.

Steward
01-07-2013

I thinks 1.5m is good .. Take or leave ..
Lena has a good view point .. But to farm it yourself is diffcult .. No about the enemy but its boring ..
And i think newbie player wont farm esbt . Since they are new to uwo i think they will look for something more intresting than farming ebst
lol cheers

Jafar
01-07-2013

1h of syracuse is like 40+ ESBT, just a lazy ass would buy esbt for 2m insted of run some syra loors

Lena
01-07-2013

i farm my esbt while watching anime on half screen and uwo on the other. not great output though at 12 esbt per one piece episode but its not as boring as pure farming.

Jafar
01-07-2013

I don't like so much ESBT, I did some syra farming for myself but it's sick boring, what I prefer is to make a lot of runs directly from Tamsui, collect some ESBT, back to EU to sell plus some more runs with the ESBT I collected there...
It's just my point of view, I know, but I find it funny and enough lucrative, without the need to pay crazy pricers for some mad syra runners that expects to be paid millions for each 50 seconds run they made in a noob dungeon like Syracuse.
My 2 cents...

Chester
01-07-2013

ESBT must be non-tradable!!

El guevon
01-08-2013

Dungeoners get 20-40m per dungeon run and buy ESBT per 1m. ESBT should cost 2m or even more, if dungeoners dont like the price let them go to syracuse to farm by themselves. ESBT should be eliminated but the damage to the server is already done, the economy is totally messed up. People spend months doing dungeons to buy ships that they dont use cause the go back again to dungeon and only sail from seville to london to check the market or Mock outside seville like kids with toys. Go figure the stupidity.

Sophia
01-08-2013

WTF?!20m-40m?which dungeon do you run?

Lewis
01-08-2013

20-40m? maybe he is quoting the price that they can sell at company shops -,-

Jean
01-08-2013

You cannot even clear FSD middle let alone deep. If you had the skill to solo the dungeon your mouth would be shut and you would be buying the tickets Sick of noobs who whine cuz they have to go with fleets and dont get much or they spend the day farming syra jealous of those who hit fsd. Lame

Enver
01-08-2013

There is no price like 20-40m .. Just 10-15m is average .. If haggle succses maybe can extra couple million .. Like 12-17m for FSD Middle ..

Carla
01-08-2013

@Chester , why? If ESBT become non-trade able isnt that good as nothing ? I would say delete ESBT will be better.

Steward
01-08-2013

If ESBT become non-tradeable you will just see more people in syracuse thats all it will do. You have no clue how much a harcore dungeoner can do, and what high accounts can achieve. You just hack and slash and dont understand how some people makes so much cash.

Maria
01-08-2013

@Shirin
newbies in problem?!?
When we started playing UWO (I play since beta) dungeons didn't even exist, how you think we did it? The game offers many ways to make money, the aim of this game is not to start and be millionaire in 1 week and have the best ships at once, you guys (given that you are a newbie) are just lazy.

ps. I like dungeons and I'm not against ESBT, I just find your comment deeply wrong.

Emma
01-08-2013

i agree with maria. newbies shouldnt have to much of a problem, Trade skills are shareable in fleet so all they need to do is fleet with a trader with high skills and they will succed.

Maria
01-08-2013

why someone should buy a crappy sextant for 7m?

Natascha
01-08-2013

spy is definitely gay

Igor
01-08-2013

Future Updates for ESBT/Dungeons:
- 3x per day or week a player can do dungeons. Can accumulate if not used just like the Aide's Bonus Points.
- A limited number of ESBTs can only be used for a day or week. Can accumulate also.
- NC item will soon come out for ESBTs somewhat related to numbers 1 and 2

This is not yet final but the changes will be something like mentioned above. We will all probably see it in a month or two as NM and KOEI are discussing the changes.

Kicker
01-13-2013

this isn't nerfed yet?

Steward
04-04-2013

Is there a list of towns that expedition ship is available at?

Lisa
04-04-2013

Just starting cities, London, Amsterdam, Lisbon, Seville, Marseille, Venice, plus also Istanbul.

Io
04-04-2013

Wait thought people used these in Lima to go to Europe to sell off.

Sakura
04-04-2013

LOL, no. I'm gonna humour you, on the premise that you're not trolling/being sarcastic.

ESBT are used at the dock in starter cities to teleport you directly into the last dungeon you ran, returning you to the dock of that city after the run, so you can enter the city and sell off anytime.

Terrashand
04-05-2013

Ahh thank you Sakura. No I wasn't trolling at all. Not into dungeon running at all. I play this game the same way as I played the NES and SNES versions plus a few MMO extras such as crafting, my company, and the colonies.

I have no interests in get rich quick schemes or PVP. Only reason I asked about these is my father also plays UWO. The only problem he has is a lack of time to play as he generally works 60+ hours a week. He enjoys doing Nanban runs but getting there and back takes alot of his game time away.

He had the idea that he might be able to sneak into one of the East Asian dungeons and have a quick way of getting home. Shame it won't work for him. While on the subject any ideas to help him get home easier (obviously with trade goods)?

Once again thanks for the info Sakura.
Terrashand

Carla
04-05-2013

Only way to returning with bought trade goods is... sailing, and that should be the only way even with dungeon goods, anyways... Other than faster (even with lower cargo) ships and knowing the winds and currents, alternative is to do shorter trade routes. Profit are less, yes, but there are faster runs, just now certain colonies offers a good alternative for quick trade runs, and isnt hard to make 6-8M in a hour trip

Ming Mei
04-30-2013

sighs (everyone is talking abt Cannonsmith's forging tools now. i miss the limelight. just where are all the kids?!) anyone there?

Dudder
05-15-2013

I can do Syracuse 1 minute each run, if im not lagging ofcourse, so unless i get bored thats 60 esbts an hour, however norm i only get 50 per hour, cuz when it starts geting boring, i sorta loose focus and slow down lol


however i only farm ESBTs when i need to, id prefer to buy them, its easier and faster. I only buy at 1m tho, anymore and i just go off and farm them myself.

Li Yue
06-10-2013

I agree. Im a pure maritimer. Dont give a crap about trading/adv. I have lvl 70 trade from running FSD all day. Mainly for swordplay and finesse but the benefits are great. I make 12-20m in about 10 mins running FSD mid. I made tonsss of extra ducats. I have no production skills or interests in getting any. Why should i with this easy money. Best of all im in london/ seville all the time and nevet risk losing a single ducat to pirates. If i actually had to sail yo FSD to grind swordplay n transport all my cargo back every 2 trips theres no way i would.

Best off the only reason i was even to get started in this game was selling esbts at 1m each. If i had to make money casting and making crap all the time i would be broke and have quit a while ago. I liked the easy money as a noob but now i see what the big picture is. The game would ultimatley be better with out them and itll filter out simple minded 1 track players such as myself.

Steward
06-11-2013

i keep hereing that verry soon UWO is making thies a non-tradable item anyone know when?

Sonia
06-11-2013

AFAIK NM has no plans to alter ESBT and/or dungeon usage - at least for the time being anyway. They did try to implement a restriction on running dungeons and usage on ESBT in a update that was to be released during the 2012/2013 holiday season. Apparently, however, enough players complained about having their dungeon running being capped to a few times a day, that they just shelved the idea.

Ming Mei
06-12-2013

thies are no longer tradeable

Kicker
06-12-2013

@ Ming Mei

Wrong ,they are still tradable

Theo
06-12-2013

aww cant you help play with them at least a little

Miyo
07-27-2013

Yup esbt still tradeable. So common now that ppl
In school chat advise new players to visit syra dungeon to grab some
and then sell them in Seville.

Laurencio
07-27-2013

ESBTs (aka "The Golden Ticket")

Enver
04-01-2014

OK, just for those who don't know yet, the prices on EA goods have dropped by around 40% on average. This means the most you you can get in trade goods from say FSD or Songsunri mid is about 3.5-4m worth of goods. It costs 5 ESBT to do a mid run on those dungeons. So, asking 1m per for ESBT is, bottom line, insane. Because at that price running FSD or Songsunri mid would get a net LOSS of 1-1.5m per run. The most that should be asked for ESBT in 700k, and actually bazaaring them for 500k per would be a fast sell, and the re-sellers would be crazy to buy them even at that price.

Sylvia
04-01-2014

On the other hand, during exp boost events (and even without them, I can't help noticing), players still sell EA trade goods for marked up prices to other players, thus making ESBTs worth their old price value -- at least to them. Still, if you don't like the price people ask for their ESBTs, you're always free to collect them yourself, which is what I do whenever I need a nice infusion of ducats to fund my fancy-free lifestyle.

Lena
04-01-2014

People know EA goods have been nerfed, they sell cheaply in seville all the time, but that doesn't stop people from buying ESBTs for 1mil I personally saw at least 3 persons in london buying them for 1mil, so I guess there's some profit somewhere. I guess if prices for ESBTs stay the same people not might do dungeons as much, or if the drop people might not sell them as much, either way, if people stop doing dungeons less, i'm all for it.

Nicola
04-01-2014

Also I wanna say people sell EA goods to other players at high rates depending on what does goods are like saori that sells in bazaars for 75k or awkeotsang for around the same, but i'm not sure if there are goods you can get form dungeons, maybe like rattan armour or rattan work that sells for 45-55k in bazaars, and people do get them sold, so i guess that's where to profits lies, and also don't forget the rich (maybe lazy) people who need quick trade levels and those who want to level their alts who buy the EA goods at 40-55k. just a thought though

Nicola
04-01-2014

That's not starting to hold up. Ever since the price nerf on EA goods Ive been seeing a lot more players then usual trying to bazaar their EA goods rather then selling them directly at the market keep. Very rarely a day goes by where I dont see any less then 10 players at Seville and London market keep with bazaar open with EA goods. I imagine with more players bazaaring EA goods it's becoming more difficult to sell them now this way thus making dungeons a more lucrative way to earn trade exp (and money) and thus ESBTs should not be anymore then 700k.

Jafar
04-01-2014

it's not right to ask the sellers to sell for anything less than 1 mil as long as anyone is willing to buy them. The fact that people DO still buy them at 1 mil each means they are making money somehow someway.

Alvaro808
04-24-2014

My few cents on ESBT's.....



The (still ongoing) debate over the ESBT's reflects a larger debate within the community about how players should be playing Uncharted Waters Online.

Of course, KOEI develops this game and OGPlanet runs this game, so it's really up to both groups to decide how players should be playing this game. Recently, I've noticed that OGPlanet in particular (and unlike Netmarble) seems to be taking a more active interest in UWO and our community. The new contents in the astro shop, for example, may end up re-orienting UWO towards a more "pay-2-win" model, especially for new players who don't want to spend days/weeks/months (or even years) grinding their way to new places.

In any case, while I personally don't care how players choose to play Uncharted Waters Online, it seems that there's enough people on GAMA server who feel that ESBTS should be removed, or at least severely restricted. The problem I have with these complaints, however, is how this will affect newer players who are struggling to catch-up to players who have been playing for years and have amassed billions of ducats (and who can therefore afford to buy stuff in the player bazaar and company shops). Perhaps OGPlanet may rectify this problem by encouraging new players to spend real cash on "catch-up" consumable items in the astro shop. But as long as players continue to sell everything and anything in this game at relatively high prices, this is going to force the newer guys who want to buy good (and at times necessary) items in the bazaar to either farm syracuse dungeon for ESBTs, go to the astro shop, or face long and eventually tiring periods of grinding skills and levels.

In short, ESBTs pose a dilemma for the server - or at least for Koei/OGPlanet - because while removing or limiting them MAY (and this is really iffy in my opinion) re-balance the game economy, keeping them allows newer players to compete at a more-or-less equal level with guys who have been playing UWO since 2010. And while there are many players who favor a UWO community that's solely committed to sailing and trading rather than dungeon-ing, not every player shares this sentiment. Based on the recent updates to the game, I'm guessing that OGPlanet is trying to reach out to the widest number of players who are even remotely interested in this game.


.....Anyways, just my few cents on this subject. =D

GeneralOnX
04-24-2014

Stop getting your knickers in a twist. The ESBT will stay until Gran Atlas, when ESBT will become worthless. Stop ranting about it and GET BACK TO WORK!

Wen zhi
04-24-2014

...... oh god , i believe i have met you Alvaro , and u seems nice , but please bring it on forum next time :)

Guilder
04-25-2014

For those curious, Bartandelus was kind enough to post info on the the OGP forum concerning a future expansion called Gran Atlas (last I checked, no word on when GA's coming out, but we can expect sometime after 2nd Age's updates are finished). The General was referring to this item:

"When a dungeon is accessed by using an ESBT, the dungeon will drop less trade goods. The amount reduced it based on how far the dungeon is from the city you are using the ESBT from"

So, there you have it. I'd suggest checking the entire post, as it's got quite a lot more info. Thanks for presenting your view in such a balanced and polite manner just the same, Alvaro. It's a refreshing change of pace. Safe journeys to you, and cheers.

GeneralOnX
04-25-2014

Exactly Guilder. :) The update for Gran Atlas will not be, in my guess, until 2015-16 because GAMA gets their patches from Korea, in which their server doesn't have GA on yet, and we still need to add all of the other chapters in a respectful manner. I just wish for this idea of removing ESBT to stop, because it will never happen.

-GeneralOnoX

Laurencio
04-25-2014

personally i dont think ESBT is bad , its just the people over-use it in anything , but if we remove the ESBT , how many people will be playing ? we're not talking about thousands , we are talking about major problem here , maybe adver and traders will stay , but then what is the point of just getting rich ? when u get rich and most of new maritimer quit because they dont have the money source to continue thier way to fame , they're too lazy to trade , u wont have any challenger , eventually u'll get bored and quit.
Then we left with a bunch of kids , adving (no offense , im an adver too) no more trade or maritime

Guilder
04-25-2014

Speaking as an adventurer who loathes trading, and only mildly enjoys battling -- more than that, as a person who hates MMOs and avoids them like the plague -- ESBTs not only help newer players get started, but also make this incredibly niche, not to mention confusing and sometimes complicated game, seem much more approachable. I supported myself largely by selling tickets, and was able to buy gear for adventuring, as well as later being able to help my friends when they started playing at my suggestion. People can decry them all they want, but I feel they are one of the few things helping to keep UWO afloat.

Anyway, since this isn't a forum, I choose to say no more, other than this: UWO is meant to be a wide open sandbox for people to play as they see fit. I won't look down on maritimers and traders for doing what they love; consider doing likewise for folks that choose to use ESBTs. Cheers, all, and have a wonderful time playing, however you opt to do so.

Althelia
04-25-2014

@Guilder: I honestly think that if you dislike the use or sale of ESBTs, then don't use them. Give them away or something. When I prefer sailing between places, so I tend to sell my ESBTs for some hefty profit. When they're nerfed, however, the price will undoubtedly go down, so I might end up giving them away for free. But until then, I'm selling them. People need to stop being pedantic and complaining incessantly.

Also, major kudos for that "afloat" pun you had there.

-Althelia, Director of the Crazy Seamen

Snipe
08-24-2014

After 2nd age chapter 4 these, along with all other consumables, can be sold in bazaar for up too 1m. Makes selling ESBT much easier.

H.-Gazi
11-25-2014

*****Summary information*****

It can be received at the final floors from each level (upper, medium and lower), after the boss battle.

When doing it with fleet, there is a little chance that more than one player receive the ticket.

The number of ESBT it takes to do a dung from Major Cities docks is varies for each dung (see below):

> Syracuse Church (1 ESBT)
> Bordeaux Church (1 ESBT)
> Giza Pyramid (1 ESBT)*
> Karnak & Luxor Temple (2 ESBT)*
> Abu Simbel Temple (3 ESBT)
> Lima Church (5 ESBT)
> Palenque (5 ESBT)
> Songsunri ruins (5 ESBT)*
> Azuchi Castle (5 ESBT)*
> Fort Sant Domingo(FSD) (5 ESBT)*
> Giant Leshan Budha (5 ESBT)*

* = Has lower floors too and that takes twice more ESBT than indicated above.

The price per ESBT is between 750k-1000k and if you're lucky you can get them even for 500k each.

Further hints about ESBT:
> Keep always at least one ESBT in your inventory to be assured that you receive a ESBT from the final floor. When doing it with fleet, then EACH PLAYER has to do this!
> While I didn't experienced burned ESBT from chests inside dungeons, but incase it occurs to others then it's strongly recommend to store most of them in bank, captain bag or strongbox etc.
> Unless you've a great reason or items/goods you're looking for in the upper floors, it's not recommend to use ESBT for that.

Kind Regards,

Huseyin-Gazi :-)

UWOGVO
11-26-2014

I used to make and run a BOT in Syracuse dungeon to farm ESBT when GameGuard wasnt such harsh.

H.-Gazi
03-02-2015

After some investigation during the Gran Atlas, I can conclude the following things about ESBT:

1) The nerf of receiving trade goods from Treasure chests is up to 50%.
2) Receiving items such as Purchase Orders, Land battle items, CEDT etc. are included for this nerf.
3) It has NO INFLUENCE for the droprates of certain equipments, items and goods. Besides rare drops can still be received even by this method.
4) The prices has dropped from 800k to 400k ~ 500k per ESBT approx. In ratio you will make the same profit like before, however it will take twice as long to do this.

BIakeC
03-03-2015

I wouldn't mind the nerfing of trade goods as much if they didn't apply the same for especially PO's. Their hard enough to get as it is!

Curious
03-03-2015

Except for PO2's... at least for now.

Mini-me
03-03-2015

Why are there still bazaars with ESBT for 700k+ per, and more importantly, WHY are there players buying them at those ridiculously overinflated prices?!

Guilder
03-03-2015

Give it time. Not everybody's heard about the recent dungeon drop nerf, and not all sellers will want to change their prices at the drop of a hat.

BIakeC
03-03-2015

Prices take time to go down. It doesn't happen overnight. IMO though they shouldn't be anymore then 400-300k, much less 700k.

DiNozzo
03-03-2015

In spite of nerf, E.A. dungeons are still the fastest way for most players to make money.
As lvl cap was lifted, many players have rushed to grinding trade lvl again.
So, demand for ESBT has not decreased much.