Naoyasu
04-14-2012

MLTC

Sylvia
04-14-2012

i don;t know if its in a guide anywhere but i have an issue thats BS, i got one of these and started upgrading it, used dismantle and had 0/6 my plan was to have max sails even with the penalty for going over size, so i used a R19 and over sized it, then got to 5/6 and upgraded to 5/8, used a R20 now so i increased the cargo size to MAX 1025 from 1016. i lost another -20V -20H -5 wave for doing this! WTH! i am already oversize it shouldn;t matter what i do after u go over 991... i think this GAME FLAW should be addressed! VERY DISPLEASED NOW, my PERFECT UPGRADE Ruined because of this!

Sylvia
04-14-2012

Perfect upgrade was going to be, 110V 110H Turn 11 wave 19 and cargo @ 1019 possibly 1020 with great success, (+40-41 cargo) and only -14 Crew
STILL VERY DISPLEASED I pay $20 RL cash for improvement parts and this is the SH!T game throws me! KOEI needs to fix this! OVERSIZE is OVERSIZE as soon as u reach that it shouldn;t matter!

George
04-14-2012

Aaaaaaaand you're complaining here because....

Port Official
04-14-2012

look if you oversize a little you get a little adverse effect if you oversize alot you get greater adverse effect this stands to reason - if you had 3 trucks exactly the same but 1 is empty , 1 is half full and 1 is full the performance in each would be different- OBVIOUSLY

Chester
04-14-2012

and lastly you seem so surprised, how the hell did you get to this lvl without knowing that oversizing would do this to your ship-it states it on every site ive looked at...

Miyo
04-14-2012

I agree with the guy. When real life money is involved KOEI owes it to the customer to make very detailed instructions as to its use. I almost charged back a purchase the other day because of similar reasons. And no, relying on third party websites is not a responsible way to keep customers properly instructed on game play.

Lancelot
04-15-2012

to go over 991 you make the ship longer + wider= more wood, the more you oversize the more wood therefor the more weight you add-thus your ship weighs more, sits lower in water, and adds extra friction.
IF YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS AT YOUR LEVEL OF PLAY THEN MAN YOUR DUMBER THAN SPIT...

Erda
04-15-2012

i already lost the -20 -20 -4 for the first upgrade, u shouldn;t lose it again while still in OVERSIZE, doesn;t make any sense!

Lisa
04-15-2012

i am saying here so others are aware!

Hernan
04-15-2012

to lancelot, read my post again, if u go from 991 to 1025 it costs -20 -20 -4, if u go from 991 to 1016 it costs -20 -20 - 4, if u go from 1016 to 1025 (R19-R20 SB friends) u lose another -20 -20 -4.... apparently u didn;t read the whole post! i know u lose -20 -20 -4 when u oversize but it shouldn;t take it again while still in OVERSIZE!

Rashid
04-15-2012

ACTUALLY IM KINDA SURE IT STATES QUITE CLEARLY ON SB PAGE IN GAME THAT IF YOU OVERSIZE A SHIP ITS GOING TO HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON PERFORMANCE HOW MUCH OF A WARNING DO YOU NEED - FLASHING LIGHTS AND BELLS

Hernan
04-15-2012

to lancelot, read my post again, if u go from 991 to 1025 it costs -20 -20 -4, if u go from 991 to 1016 it costs -20 -20 - 4, if u go from 1016 to 1025 (R19-R20 SB friends) u lose another -20 -20 -4.... apparently u didn;t read the whole post! i know u lose -20 -20 -4 when u oversize but it shouldn;t take it again while still in OVERSIZE!

Igor
04-15-2012

i read it but still - the more you oversize the more weight you add
geez how dumb are you

Erda
04-15-2012

yes i know! but it shouldn;t take it away again is what i am stating! its a game flaw! READ the POST!

Sophia
04-15-2012

no it aint a game flaw r19 added size =more weight
r20 added more size = even more weight

Theo
04-15-2012

if you take a vw beetle engine n fitted it to a rolls royce car its performance would be affected if you made the rolls royce car bigger it would lose its performance even more

George
04-15-2012

the bigger you make it the more performance you lose deal with it- its logic

Hans
04-15-2012

yes but i can go from 991- 1025 on last upgrade and only lose -20 -20 -4! why did i lose -40 -40 -8 for going from 991-> 1016-> 1025.......
ppl are not reading all posts TY

Hans
04-15-2012

yes but i can go from 991- 1025 on last upgrade and only lose -20 -20 -4! why did i lose -40 -40 -8 for going from 991-> 1016-> 1025.......
ppl are not reading all posts TY

Miyo
04-15-2012

Have you made a post in the UWO forums of this? Or did you just spew out your bleeding heart problem on here alone?
Anyways, perhaps the reason you lost 40-40-8 is because you did the upgrade twice?
And as to one of your OPs about paying $20...WOOPDY DOOOO! Was that a day? A week? A month? A year? All I can read into this post is..."Whine whine Poor me blah blah blah I didn't get what I want so I'm going to complain and hope everyone feels sorry for me moan whinge QQ" Be glad NM actually introduced these ships to use instead of keeping it that way it was where you actually had to WORK YOUR LEVELS UP to get a decent cargo ship.
Build a bridge and get over it

Maria
04-15-2012

Why the F*** would you ruin a good fast ship for the sake of a few % more cargo anyway? Pointless and stupid. Get a dismantling permit and re-do it properly...

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Cao Wei
04-29-2012

If I dismantle I keep the extra dura it has? The extra it has compared to non-modified large transport clipper.

Miyo
04-29-2012

YES MODIFIED + CUSTOM SHIPS TEND TO BE MADE FROM IRON THATS WHERE THE EXTRA DURA COMES FROM
WHEN YOU DISMANTLE YOU ONLY REMOVE IMPROVEMENTS

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Ming Mei
07-07-2012

Slower than btc , this ship is very slow to compared to same class ship
But cargo is ridiculous 1k.

Mei Hua
10-24-2012

i know this was two months ago, but very slow is a bad comparison. Mine takes only about 8-9 days longer to get from lisbon to Tamsui then my CLC. I have done trip in many seasons also.

Liza
10-24-2012

I agree with Mei Hua. if you compare between the ship stats. The different between the base stats is almost 0. The different that can effect speeds are cargo hold (about 30 different), turn, waves, 2 extra sails.
BTC can only do 2/4 improves for now, and 4/4 max. The best you can get with a BTC is likely to be max improve in sails, maybe around total 6 turns, 15 waves (after using 5 sets of -1 sails).
MTLC can do 8/8 improves, and you can get max sails, roughly 20 turns, 30 waves (w/o d sails/storm sails). or you can max turn, waves also with extra cargo depends on how many d sails you use)

The turning in ship effect in the turn speed and acceleration, so it makes a big different to the ship speed.
Also waves effect the top speed of the ship. roughtly 1 waves resistance = 0.8~1% extra top speed.

if you put the MLTC with sails (22/25/-1 x3, 11v x2), it can have about 420v 480h, and 30 waves... lets say you can about 25% extra top speed from waves restsitance. You will end up with about 520v,600h during sailing. I don't know how to work it out in knots.. since it changes in wind/current anway.
While BTC (22/25/-1 x5 and 11v x2) can get 460v 520h and the waves will possibly gives 12% top speed. So it will be around 520v 580h.

So the 8/8 improves gives veru good benefit to the top speed and also turns speed for acceleration too. 8/8 MTLC should not be marked as slow ship.

Mei Hua
10-24-2012

turn rate does not affect acceleration, it affects how much the ship slows down while turning and how long it takes to complete the turn. Other than that fairly accurate I would say.

Not really fair to compare NC and non-NC ships however, compare this to a NC version of a BTC and see what you get.

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Jafar
04-21-2013

i see alot of comments about speed as if you're planning on using as your main ship which is understandable, but i use this only for my aide ship, fast, minimum 23 sailors to sail this with great cargo. yet i wouldnt sell this ship for less than 2bil. many other 1k cargo NC ships (also around 2bil right now) that can be used by an aide require more sailors, less speed, less improves etc, so i prefer this ship.

Port Official
04-25-2013

to hans
if you go from 991- 1025 you max hold in 1 step, you get 1 penalty -20 -20 -4

if you go 991- 1016- 1025 you max hold in 2 steps so......

step 1. 991- 1016 you get 1 penalty -20 -20 -4
step 2. 1016- 1025 you get 2nd penalty -20 -20 -4

so because you max hold in 2 steps you get 2 penalties

step 1. -20 -20 -4
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step 2. -20 -20 -4
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-40- -40 -8

wait to increase you hold to max untill you are to do it with an r20 sb
Patience is a virtue :)

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