Shirin
01-08-2012

How do you calculate the most efficient amount to Invest?

Lancelot
04-09-2012

how do I raise the proficiency of that skill?

Lewis
04-09-2012

Investment can increase the rank of this skill

Chester
04-21-2012

Most efficient is (Soc level ^ 2) * 1000, then add 1000 to it. So Soc 1 would need at least 2k invested for XP; Soc 2 is 5k, Soc 3 is 10k, Soc 4 is 17k, Soc 5 is 26k, Soc 6 is 37k, Soc 7 is 50k, Soc 8 is 65k, Soc 9 is 82k, Soc 10 is 101k, etc.

Chester
04-21-2012

Most efficient is (Soc level ^ 2) * 1000, then add 1000 to it. So Soc 1 would need at least 2k invested for XP; Soc 2 is 5k, Soc 3 is 10k, Soc 4 is 17k, Soc 5 is 26k, Soc 6 is 37k, Soc 7 is 50k, Soc 8 is 65k, Soc 9 is 82k, Soc 10 is 101k, etc.

Emma
04-21-2012

sociability also raises quite well when you hand in discoveries to nobles

Sonia
08-02-2012

is this even worth having if your not a trader?

Erda
08-02-2012

it is a requirement for tenochtitlan quest i think. maybe some other quests too.

Steward
08-03-2012

for what quest? O.o

Claudia
08-03-2012

if i am stricly maritime is it ok for me to drop this or this benefical in anyway?

Junchul
08-03-2012

hmm... i heard its only good if your a trader and maybe adventurer.

any have a thought?

Cornelia
08-04-2012

am i really going to be ignored? seriously . . . .

Sophia
08-04-2012

Every question asked has been addressed, at least use the same fake name so we know which question you think was ignored.

Claudia
08-04-2012

thats the name -_- and i read the comments didnt see my question addressed at all

Claudia
08-04-2012

i did see said its for a job quest, but i have every battle job

Hans
08-04-2012

Sociability
Talking with people holding high positions becomes easier.
Reduce the chance of failure in price negotiations.

if you do any quests, find discoveries, in any of the three classes then this skill 'does exactly what it says on the tin' you get better rewards for handing in discoveries etc (better cash usually and possibly more qmps)

id say later in the game when these are hand-ins arent as important to you, then you could drop or shelve the skill, personally id shelve it first, and compare the difference before dropping it completely...

Lancelot
08-04-2012

thanks Hans, i think ima shelf it cause i really dont do quests.

Sakura
08-07-2012

if you do trade it's really good especially when selling spices at market keeper because you can haggle more

Sylvia
08-07-2012

yea well... im strictly Maritime

Lu Yue
08-12-2012

Useful skill when selling the loots from dungeon to get more money :)

Io
01-22-2013

So,this skill is for higher % to haggle succses ?

Don Piano
02-20-2013

I think it is pretty useless for non traders or traders/maritimes or any other combination. I have had this skill several times and I end droping it again and again.

I'm a maritime/trader and I find this skill rarely usefull... Once I ranked it to r6 and it used to gave me a second chance after failing haggling but not so often; also I remember a time when I had this skill over r4 and I was able to haggle succesfully 8 times but that was very long ago... it was before aztec patch came out, I don't know if that is still possible above rank 4.

Steward
02-20-2013

The number of times you can haggle does not depend on sociability. It seems to depend on the influence of your nation in the particular port, as well as, it appears to me, your own personal investment there. In my major city I can haggle 8 or 9 times. In foreign major cities and territories I have never been able to haggle more than once.

Soc is supposed to help with haggle success probability. I sort of agree with you that at my current r5 I don't see a huge increase in successes, but well it's a probabilistic thing so I would need to note down percentage of success/failure over time to be able to tell for sure and I'm not going to go that far :-). I'm mainly a trader so I'm keeping it. Often in this game you only see the real benefit of a skill when you raise it to like r10 or more.

Beatrice
05-09-2013

anyone know what quests need a high rank (like 8+ or so) in this skill? other then south american secret cities, and tenochtitlan quests. i am trying to get em all done before i dump the skill

Wen zhi
05-15-2013

I shelved this skill and have experienced an extreme drop in fame from turning in discovery’s

Lena
05-18-2013

ok i check then dubble check then check again and Wen zhi thats totle BS

George
07-15-2013

also it reduces the formality needed to talk with nobles too in case anyone cant notice from reading the description of the skill :P

Francine
08-28-2013

George, it's true, but pretty much pointless. There are plenty of gear that increase formality way over what is needed for speaking to nobles.

Io
09-04-2013

anyone know what quests need a high rank (like 8+ or so) in this skill? other then south american secret cities, and tenochtitlan quests. i am trying to get em all done before i dump the skill. ty

Francine
09-04-2013

Other than that there are some for certain jobs. I think the Adventure Mentor requires these at r5. that's all i know. :)

Hans
09-10-2013

For merchant, its main purpose is to level up accounts, which lvls when you haggle with success. If you have soc 5, try getting the +3 robe from ancona, the +3 silk shawl and a +2 crown...stack with college skill to get high sociability and watch accounts and profits soar.

Hans
01-06-2014

how effective could r20 be?

Bael
06-09-2017

New accessory "Custom Emerald Ring"
Durability 20
Formality 40
Navigation +1
Sociability +3
Requires 1000 fame to equip

Aide fleet production (Africa), need Emerald x1, Goldwork x5, Embroidery Thread x10

Egw
09-18-2017

Any estimate how many billions one would need to invest-grind this up from r9 all the way to r15?

Juicebox
09-18-2017

Ok let me break it down. Yes this skill increases the rate of successful haggles but your capped at only 2 successful haggles per trade. Which I get quite often even with Rank 0 sociability due to me trading in my nation's ports. Well what if you dont want to deal in your nation ports? Well why would you? you get a 20% Tax if you dont so you better damn well trade in your nation ports. R10 Accounts and R10 social is MORE than enough in your own nation ports.

In addition theres tons of CHEAP easy boosters no need to rank to R15 especially with no Refine skills for doing so. IMO the REAL skill you should want is nation correspondence skills on your aide you know the one that increases your friendship with other nation that actually boost the profit you receive from all trades with a nation so raise your own nation correspondence get that money Tax free! Accounts can be refined as well to increase profits 10% when selling and stack with fortune maker title so that should be the one you raise.

Nation Correspondence, Accounts Refine, Fortune Maker title, Sociability through boosters...Simple! :D

Egw
09-18-2017

Thanks for all this, but it doesn't address my actual question. Maybe I have too many billions or I am bored or I am weird or (can think of other silly reasons). It's a legit question surely.

Egw
09-18-2017

Oh and btw, you aren't capped at 2 successful haggles. You are capped at 20% buying/selling price reduction/increase. This may come at 2 or 3 haggles, depending on your accounts rank. I see the difference pretty clearly when accounts is favoured and/or boosted vs. when it's neither.

BonnyLass
09-18-2017

Don't forget you can get proficiency points from reporting adventure discoveries to NPCs, too. I'm sure that would help with the sociability grind.

For pure merchants though, hmm. I've always wondered: does the amount you invest affect the number of skill points for sociability? If not, you could just do the least amount. If so, well! That'd certainly help, especially for those with too many billions at their disposal.

Blake.C
09-18-2017

You get 9 prof skill points on Sociability for each investment, regardless of the amount. So a 100 mil investment earns no more then a 60k investment. :x

For reporting discoveries, you get 3 prof skill points regardless of the value of it. Again, a 5 star discovery earns no more then a 1 star discovery. Not sure if reporting to the wrong NPC or in a non-adventure type job effects anything.

But like CPC said, there's really no reason to get this all the way to R15 since you cant refine it, and there's a TON of booster equipment for Sociability. The amount you have invested in a port also has a determination effect weather a haggle succeeds or not which kinda makes a very high ranking Sociability moot if your going to be buying and selling in ports YOU have invested in most of the time...

Donce
09-18-2017

CPC, refined Accounts skill has an effect:
Enables advantageous haggling (only lowering price) at the Market.

So it works only for buying trade goods, not for selling (at least it was so in 2016)

H.-Gazi
09-19-2017

For R10+ with 2x boost at least I get 4 proficiency per investment regardless the amount. But the minimum should be 150k or more. Each rank you go up, double check it if you gain or not.

I made an equation about how much money you need for this grind:
> The proficiency required from R9 to R15 is 81.000.
> Let's assume you pay 150.000 ducats per investment approx.
> we take the X value as the amount of Socialbility proficiency you gain per investment.
> we take the Y value as the amount of ducats you need to pay for efficience socialbility grind to R15 from R9.

Y = (81.000/X) * 150.000

So if it is still the case to get 4 proficience per investment you get:

81.000/4 = 20.250 * 150.000 = 3.037.500.000 D (3.038b round up) you need then ^^

Please keep in mind this is still estimated as you can't invest always the same amount at one port at some point. Proficiency rate may also be changed, but you can still use this equation to calculate it.

Hope this helps :B

Kind Regards,

[CA]Huseyin-Gazi

Egw
09-19-2017

Thanks for this effort buddy. You're the man.

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